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Douglas / OLIPHANT/ Smith / Sinclair lines finally sorted

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jackie Stoddard Sep 2. 4 Replies

Douglas / OLIPHANT/ Smith / Sinclair lines looks like I am finally getting the Oliphant mystery sorted I have Douglas on both maternal (stuart / Douglas side) and on Paternal is the Oliphant /…Continue

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Many Douglas are aware of Royal Stuart / Stewart in their lines,

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Many Douglas are aware of Royal Stuart / Stewart in their lines, so I'm posting this (I have Douglas and Stewart , on both Maternal and Paternal & Morton I also think on the Paternal)Do you…Continue

help? Margaret Douglas abt 1761 M. John Stewart shipmaster abt 1755 also Abernethy, wyllie, webster, Fowler, Gibson

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jackie Stoddard Aug 5, 2013. 2 Replies

Margaret Douglas Tower abt 1761 M. John Stewart shipmaster b abt1747 d 15.9.1794dau Margaret Douglas STEWART m.12 Aug 1815 Alexander RUST bapt1792 St Nicholas d 1879 BanffOld Machar Parish…Continue

is there a sept for the Douglas Stewarts ; or those Douglas that married Stewarts or Stuarts

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is there a sept for the Douglas Stewarts ; or those Douglas that married Stewarts or Stuarts and V V ? I have no ideas where to start to find the link between the black douglas / sir James Douglas…Continue

 

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Which Douglas line are you researching? Dates and places help making connections.
Glenbervie branch are Red Douglases , need help to connect the line noted in history book (see below) beyond
John Douglas 1708 or 1709 m Agnes Donald,
Margaret DOUGLASS 1739-1775 m George TOWER 1730-1770
Margaret Douglas Tower born abt 1761 Married
John Stewart shipmaster born abt 1749 (poss B PR CH son)
their daughter Margaret Douglas STEWART (poss B PR CH granddaughter)
married 12 Aug 1815 Alexander RUST (they had 8 children)
Alexander RUST baptised 1792 St Nicholas
Civil parish:Old Machar
County:Aberdeenshire
Address:Thistle St
Parish Number:168B
d 1879 Banff
Tea Plantations Ceylon Merchant/Grocer
this is as far back as go have recently discovered Abernethey as cousins and wyllie , webster , Fowler
Earls of Angus red Douglas line my tree ancestry.com jstoddard191 look at Rust tree, its public
Margaret Douglas Stewart, my G G G Grandmother, Deeside, married Alexander Rust, John Rust's mother, ancestor of Sir James Douglas via Margaret Douglas Stewart, I would love to see a family tree that My G.G.Grand father John Rust came from Aberdeen in 1851 to New Zealand and married Isobel Mearns also from Montrose
the ancestral connection is written in the History book written by Alexandar Rust (Johns son) "Whangarei and Districts Early Reminiscences" 1935 , now republished; Johns father was also an Alexander Rust.
my Great Grandmother was Rosalind/Rose Turney (nee Rust ..John's daughter) in Aberdeen early 1800s cousins were Abernethy also Donald, Tower, Simson, wyllie, webster, Fowler , stewart, Stuart
thanks Jackie Stoddard
Who is your earliest known Douglas ancestor?
James Douglas 1676, John Douglas 1708 or 1709 m Agnes Donald, George TOWER 1730-1770 m. Margaret DOUGLASS 1739-1775 , Margaret Douglas born abt 1761 Married John Stewart shipmaster born abt 1755 dau Margaret Douglas Stewart (Married A Rust) so Margaret Douglas Rust (nee Stewart)
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James Douglas 1676, John Douglas 1708 or 1709 m Agnes Donald, George TOWER 1730-1770 m. Margaret DOUGLASS 1739-1775, Margaret Douglas born abt 1761 Married John Stewart shipmaster, born abt 1755, Margaret Douglas Stewart,G G G Grandmother,Margaret Douglas Rust (nee Stewart), Deeside, Alexander Rust, John Rust,Aberdeen,ancestor of Sir James Douglas,Aberdeen,Wyllie,Fowler,Fouler,Webster,Gibson
dna haplotype
H4a1c1a - T7581C

Glenbervie branch are Red Douglases

From book “Reminiscences of Whangarei “ by Alexander Rust (G G Granduncle) re Rusts descended from Glenbervie Black Douglases (what the book says)

But Bryan Crawford said this is a mistake in that its the Reds .. Douglases of Angus (red) eventually connect into the Black Douglases.

Glenbervie branch are Red Douglases descended from the earl of Angus. Details of the family are in the book 

Letters My Grandfather Wrote Me, By Bryan Crawford" (great book I have this !)

HELP please with anyone whom can take me beyond here

Margaret Douglas Stewart (Married A Rust) is as far back I can go in the line

Margaret Douglas STEWART born abt 1761

Civil parish:

Old Machar

County:

Aberdeenshire

Address:

Thistle St

Parish Number:

168B

married Alexander RUST     (they had 8 children)
baptised 1792 St Nicholas
d 1879 Banff
Merchant/Grocer    Married Margaret Douglas STEWART   (could her parents be on the marriage cert?)  we have no death cert ? or birth cert …where to find parents!?? maybe the 80 year old was the grandmother!??  mother of same name margaret douglas stewart?

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I now have James Douglas b1600's, son John Douglas b 23.1.1708 Aberdeen, m Agnes Donald Born 9.4.1710

Posted on December 21, 2014 at 1:38 0 Comments

I now have James Douglas b1600's, son John Douglas b  23.1.1708 Aberdeen, m Agnes Donald Born 9.4.1710 in Bourtie Aberdeen, daughter Margaret Douglass married George Tower, dau Margaret Douglas Tower married John Stewart shipmaster Aberdeen; John Stewart probably a son of Bonnie Prince Charlie/ Charles Edward Stuart.
we are descended from the Red Douglas , Earls of Angus , Glenbervie Douglas , any info would be grateful

we are apparently descended from Bonnie Prince Charlie, either John Stewart is his son (no record of parents b abt 1749 (maybe to do with the Lady Primrose taking a child from B PR Charlie) & daughte…

Posted on December 14, 2014 at 9:04 0 Comments

we are apparently descended from Bonnie Prince Charlie, either John Stewart is his son (no record of parents b abt 1749 (maybe to do with the Lady Primrose taking a child from B PR Charlie) & daughter of John Stewart and Margaret Douglas (Tower) was Margaret Douglas Stewart 1794, probably the Granddaughter of Bonnie Prince Charlie (according to a letter I have)

its complex; theres 3 possible theories I have so far

Has anyone seen a John Douglas abt 1720 m. Agnes Donald  abt…

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At 19:27 on May 10, 2017, William Douglas said…
At 11:01 on April 27, 2017, Raymond Oliver said…

Hello Jackie - The Olivers were bondsmen/vassals of the Douglas Clan (see relevant page on the Douglas website) and my DNA seems to be a close match to at least one Douglas who claims 1st Earl as a direct ancestor.  How I appear to be at least as Douglas as many who bear that surname I leave to your imagination - I have my theory.  Tracing my Oliver ancestry back from the present reveals that the Olivers in my line go back in the earliest parish records for 1537 (Henry VIII) for Flash village in Staffordshire.  There is a gap of around 150 years between the last Black Douglas action in the border country and this earliest Staffordshire record.   My speculation, and it can only be that, is that my Olivers did a runner southwards after the defeat at Arkinholm and took refuge in the bleak Pennine uplands to avoid any retribution.   They remained a significant presence in Flash until well into the 19th Century where they survived by upland agriculture, mining of coal outcrops and other nefarious activities.

At 9:16 on March 13, 2017, Kenneth David Morton Douglas said…

Hi Jackie.

Yes I have had my DNA tested, both by Family Tree DNA and by Ancestry.

The family tree DNA showed up as belonging to "Haplogroup E1b1b1" and I have exact matches to a Douglas in Canada and two douglases in Australia.

We can trace our line with absolute certainty as follows:

John Douglas (1707-1762).my great, great, great, great grandfather

Rev.James Douglas (1753-18190. my great,great great grandfather.

James Edward Morton Douglas (1794-1864) [brother of Richard William Glode Douglas] my great great grandfather

Dr.David Morton Douglas (1828-19010) my great grandfather

James Herbert David Morton Douglas (1882-1956) my grandfather.

Kenneth David Morton Douglas (1920-2004) my father.

However there is some evidence that the line goes backwards from John Douglas to his ancestors:

Thomas Douglas of Reeth (1664-1746). John's father

Alexander Douglas (1645- ?)Thomas's father

Alexander Douglas (1585-1661 these dates are not confirmed) Alexanders' father. He is the one recorded as travelling with James VI of Scotland when he ascended the English throne as James I.

However from the DNA test that have been done by me and some of my relatives it does appear that there may well have been a "non parental event" and at the moment it is speculated by some Australian relatives that it may be that Thomas Douglas was adopted. But that doesn't change the fact that he was a DOUGLAS, doe it.

There is a group of Douglas ancestors who have set up a "Yahoo Group named RWGDOUGLAS" and we are continually searching for answers as to which branch of the Doulases he came from.

I have recently found a record showing that there was an Alexander Douglas occupying the position of "Macer" in James VI's Court (in the Privy Council) from August 1599 which ties in well with our research that has confirmed that an Alexander Douglas was a "Keeper of the Council Chambers" (that is the Privy Council) and that he apparently returned to Scotland later in 1603 after only a few months in London.

The record that I found was contained within a thesis completed by Amy L. Juhala that can be found at "www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/handle/1842/1727. It not only shows the records of the Royal Household but also records the names of other Douglases in the Royal Court from James's infancy to the time he wnet to London. It makes interesting reading.

So that is where I am at at the moment.

If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to get in touch.

At 7:44 on April 9, 2012, Kenneth David Morton Douglas said…

Hi Jackie.

Dont know if my first try at posting a comment was sucessful, so here goes again.

As you will have seen I am told that I am related to the Black Douglases but unfortunately cannot prove it...yet.

 

However my son David married a Stewart a 5 years ago, so maybe we are related somewhere along the line?

 

Regards

Ken Douglas

At 17:31 on June 19, 2011, William Douglas said…

I have found these references to tea merchants in Aberdeen:

1839 Douglas, Alexander, grocer, tea and spirit dealer, 82, Shiprow AberdeenRust, George, grocer, tea, wine, and spirit merchant, 14, George street, h. Loch-head, by Lunatic Asylum

At 14:18 on June 18, 2011, William Douglas said…

I think the Rusts on this site are American?

I looked for a link to Sir James Douglas of Canada, but found none.

 
 
 

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The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?


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