Edward Fenner Douglass b 17 Feb 1880 in Houghton Co Mi
He Married Dorothea J Weber in Ontonagon, Mi 26 Oct 1903
He died in Chicago 1968. Looking for obituaries for him and his wife Dorothea, her dc has her as Dorothy Anna Douglass she died 19 Nov 1933. Also looking for obits on their children Edward Fenner Douglass b 1904 in Houghton co Mi died Md 1998 daughter was Dorthy C Douglass she married Melville F Johnson from Clinton Co Oh they divorced I believe she was living in the Chicago area. I can't find a death date for her nor obit. last child was Roland Douglass I believe he died in CA.
His father was Edward Fenner Douglass 17 May 1854 died 1902 Houghton Co Mi
I have been able to work my way back a ways in the last month, and I know have the following info as latest known Douglass:
John C Douglass b.1856 Wife- Susie A. b.1868 I also belive that his father was a T. E. Douglass I am assuming this is a Theodore Douglass , and i think he was born 1827 married to an Elizabeth born 1834. unfortunately i cannot find much on T.E. other then a 1850 census report showing him as born in NY and at 23 years old living in a multi family home with Connors and Whallans
I added to the forum some of the older info. I have from a relative's notes. They start with the James Douglas of the 1700's and work back. Do you have any suggestions how I can trace the lineage from James going back?
William, Yes, that's my family, and I've written to Kentucky to see if they have
any 1797 local information. I have some info about William and Hugh D or David Hugh being in the Civil War, although William obviously older. The wife is Caty or Catherine, Born 1799, married 15 Aug 1822, Adair, KY, and her father was Levi Conover. My info on him goes back to John W Couwenhoven, born 1681, and Wm. Updike, born 1704. Maybe you have this. Great to have another person to relate to. I recently visited Douglas Brides mausoleum in Scotland.
thankyou for the information. It seems the headstones in Hounam are of some of my direct ancestors. The George Douglas 1727 - 1794 and Agnes Robson 1733 - 1795 are my Great grandparents x 6.
I am coming up to Edinburgh on Thursday 7th July for 4 days so I don't know if I would be able to meet some current Douglas's and I will try to get out to Hounam.
I would appreciate any more information you can give me.
Thank you, William! I'll try the forum first and see if that will work. My sister and I plan to visit Scotland next September and would like to see some "Douglas castles" and any other pertinent sites. If you could recommend some? Thanks again!
Thank you, William. I don't use Facebook or Twitter or any other social media, so I don't really know how or where to add this information. Can you give me suggestions? I have a family history, though I don't know how accurate it is, that I could post somewhere.
yes, this is the Samuel H Douglass born 1726 and I have in Albemarie Co. Virginia. He died 1755 in Chilhowee, Johnson Co., MO. I don't have any other information other than he married Mary ?Denison?/maybe Davis 2 Nov 1749 in New London, Campbell Co., Virginia. From this point on, I am confused as to his father and so on. I originally had Archibald, born 1695 in Scotland, but another shows a Capt. Richard Douglass, b. 1682 and died 26 Nov 1756 in Lancaster, PA. I sure would like to get to Scotland and confirm my Douglass lineage. Thank you Judy
Just picking up on some more information on the Cockpen people re the information in the stub.
It does appear to be the case that there were two William Douglasses alive, married and having children at the same time. One partnership was with Grissell Mckeand in Penninghame and the other with Janet Witherspoon in Cockpen/Newbattle. It would be remarkable if he could have managed both - based on the dates! - details as per the spreadsheet. I am not sure if this still means that the Cockpen William was born in or is connected to Penninghame.
Hello and thank you William for the info from Wilks-Barre PA. I have been searching for so long trying to find information on my grandparents (John Douglas,Rose Hallick Douglas) and father. (George Anthony Douglas)Father was born in Wilks-Barre, Pa on Aug.12,1903 and died in Erie, Pa on Oct. 16, 1949 when I was only two. He had an older brother John born in 1901 also. My Mother never met his parents. He told her his Dad had passed from black lung. They were married in Erie in 1939. Brother John moved to New York City and married Ann and had two daughters. I found my parents marriage app. and it said both of my grandparents were born in Lithunia?? I am frustrated because I seem to be hitting a brick wall with no info that I can trace..I would be so grateful for any hints on where to look next.. Gratefully, Laura Douglas(:
Hi William,
Thank you. I'm searching for any details on my grandmother Dorothy Kathleen Douglas born 1900 died 1984. Married to Maurice Ian Keir Scott and lived in New Zealand. Dorothy's father Donald Avery Douglas.
Thanks
Jenny
Just back after the trip. I double checlked and the date of that marriage with a
Ker is 1692. The fact that all this was happening in Newbattle/Cockpen does gel with other bits of family history - geographically that is in that stretch of territory in an arc south of Edinburgh. It may be that it proves impossible to find out more about John D but some other bit of evidence may be out there.
The F.A D. -April 1974 etc. Fairly sure he is not our branch.
The Frederick Austin and Elizabeth Ann nee Blake are my husbands (Robert John) parents.
They had four sons all born St Helens, Lancashire (Registered in Preston)
Francis Joseph D b28/10/38 d in NZ 21/4/2008; (my husband) Robert John, b 7/11/40; Austin Frederick D b 11/4/43-d in Kelowna BC 27/2/2008;John Christopher b 21/6/50-d in NZ 21/9/1997
That is my husbands (Robert John) father - Fred on the Banjo. (Probably posted by Anne Sherriff, a 2nd cousin,I think) We are looking for Freds older brother, Robert Francis Douglas
Thanks. No probs I am up north towards Pitlochry for the next few days and I will pick up when I return.
It does strike me that what is known is that there were two or three Douglas families in Cockpen/Newbattle at the time. It is certain that a William D did marry a Witherspoon and if his DOB and marriage is correct I can see where that gels with the backstory. That however does not explain the Penninghame angle, if there is one. It may be as simple as two Williams and two marriages getting conflated.
Also it does not necessarily shed any light on the John Duglass who, I suspect may be my direct ancestor. The birth dates of Johns and Williams first children are circa 25 years apart so we are probably dealing with an earlier generation and there may be no actual connection to William D/Witherspoon.
You will probably know this already but it would be good to know when Cockpen records started as a separate parish. Given the history with the Kers I suspect that Newbattle is older and in fact there is a marriage between James of Queensberry and Mary Kerr in 1692 - again probably down to the Ker base at Newbattle
Just had a look at the update on the stub re Cockpen Douglas I would think that the key thing is sorting out the suggested relationship between William Douglas Awith Grishild McK.
What is known is that a William Duglass and Janet Witherspoon DID have six children between 1694 and 1706 (all Cockpen) and on that basis a birth date of 1668 and a marriage of 1694 does not seen unreasonable.
Clearly that could not reconcile with a Marriage to GMCK in Penninghame in 1693 with children being born from 1693 onwards.
The only provisional conclusion that I can draw is that there are two marriages there and that the GMK one is a bit of a red herring
I think I may have now managed to attach a file of the Douglas birth data for Cockpen and Newbattle from 1650. An potentially interesting point is that prior to that date there are no Douglas births so either the records are not held at SRO or there were none to record. The fact that William married to a Witherspoon was born in Dumfries may indicate that the Douglas connection is after 1650 in that locality
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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Edward Fenner Douglass b 17 Feb 1880 in Houghton Co Mi
He Married Dorothea J Weber in Ontonagon, Mi 26 Oct 1903
He died in Chicago 1968. Looking for obituaries for him and his wife Dorothea, her dc has her as Dorothy Anna Douglass she died 19 Nov 1933. Also looking for obits on their children Edward Fenner Douglass b 1904 in Houghton co Mi died Md 1998 daughter was Dorthy C Douglass she married Melville F Johnson from Clinton Co Oh they divorced I believe she was living in the Chicago area. I can't find a death date for her nor obit. last child was Roland Douglass I believe he died in CA.
His father was Edward Fenner Douglass 17 May 1854 died 1902 Houghton Co Mi
Appreiciate and help offered
Marsha
Thanks a lot. Im very happy about your information.
Jens
thanks William,
I have been able to work my way back a ways in the last month, and I know have the following info as latest known Douglass:
John C Douglass b.1856 Wife- Susie A. b.1868 I also belive that his father was a T. E. Douglass I am assuming this is a Theodore Douglass , and i think he was born 1827 married to an Elizabeth born 1834. unfortunately i cannot find much on T.E. other then a 1850 census report showing him as born in NY and at 23 years old living in a multi family home with Connors and Whallans
William,
Were you able to find the info. I posted on my page? If not, do you know how I can get that to you?
Steve
It's on "my page". Is there some other place I should put it? I'm woefully unfamiliar with how these sites work.
Hello William,
I added to the forum some of the older info. I have from a relative's notes. They start with the James Douglas of the 1700's and work back. Do you have any suggestions how I can trace the lineage from James going back?
Steve Dougals
William, Yes, that's my family, and I've written to Kentucky to see if they have
any 1797 local information. I have some info about William and Hugh D or David Hugh being in the Civil War, although William obviously older. The wife is Caty or Catherine, Born 1799, married 15 Aug 1822, Adair, KY, and her father was Levi Conover. My info on him goes back to John W Couwenhoven, born 1681, and Wm. Updike, born 1704. Maybe you have this. Great to have another person to relate to. I recently visited Douglas Brides mausoleum in Scotland.
Hi William
thankyou for the information. It seems the headstones in Hounam are of some of my direct ancestors. The George Douglas 1727 - 1794 and Agnes Robson 1733 - 1795 are my Great grandparents x 6.
I am coming up to Edinburgh on Thursday 7th July for 4 days so I don't know if I would be able to meet some current Douglas's and I will try to get out to Hounam.
I would appreciate any more information you can give me.
Thanks
Sharon
Thank you, William! I'll try the forum first and see if that will work. My sister and I plan to visit Scotland next September and would like to see some "Douglas castles" and any other pertinent sites. If you could recommend some? Thanks again!
Thank you, William. I don't use Facebook or Twitter or any other social media, so I don't really know how or where to add this information. Can you give me suggestions? I have a family history, though I don't know how accurate it is, that I could post somewhere.
yes, this is the Samuel H Douglass born 1726 and I have in Albemarie Co. Virginia. He died 1755 in Chilhowee, Johnson Co., MO. I don't have any other information other than he married Mary ?Denison?/maybe Davis 2 Nov 1749 in New London, Campbell Co., Virginia. From this point on, I am confused as to his father and so on. I originally had Archibald, born 1695 in Scotland, but another shows a Capt. Richard Douglass, b. 1682 and died 26 Nov 1756 in Lancaster, PA. I sure would like to get to Scotland and confirm my Douglass lineage. Thank you Judy
William.
Just picking up on some more information on the Cockpen people re the information in the stub.
It does appear to be the case that there were two William Douglasses alive, married and having children at the same time. One partnership was with Grissell Mckeand in Penninghame and the other with Janet Witherspoon in Cockpen/Newbattle. It would be remarkable if he could have managed both - based on the dates! - details as per the spreadsheet. I am not sure if this still means that the Cockpen William was born in or is connected to Penninghame.
Book1.xlsx
Thank you. I'm searching for any details on my grandmother Dorothy Kathleen Douglas born 1900 died 1984. Married to Maurice Ian Keir Scott and lived in New Zealand. Dorothy's father Donald Avery Douglas.
Thanks
Jenny
William.
Thanks.
Just back after the trip. I double checlked and the date of that marriage with a
Ker is 1692. The fact that all this was happening in Newbattle/Cockpen does gel with other bits of family history - geographically that is in that stretch of territory in an arc south of Edinburgh. It may be that it proves impossible to find out more about John D but some other bit of evidence may be out there.
Thankyou William,
The F.A D. -April 1974 etc. Fairly sure he is not our branch.
The Frederick Austin and Elizabeth Ann nee Blake are my husbands (Robert John) parents.
They had four sons all born St Helens, Lancashire (Registered in Preston)
Francis Joseph D b28/10/38 d in NZ 21/4/2008; (my husband) Robert John, b 7/11/40; Austin Frederick D b 11/4/43-d in Kelowna BC 27/2/2008;John Christopher b 21/6/50-d in NZ 21/9/1997
That is my husbands (Robert John) father - Fred on the Banjo. (Probably posted by Anne Sherriff, a 2nd cousin,I think) We are looking for Freds older brother, Robert Francis Douglas
Douglas
Thanks. No probs I am up north towards Pitlochry for the next few days and I will pick up when I return.
It does strike me that what is known is that there were two or three Douglas families in Cockpen/Newbattle at the time. It is certain that a William D did marry a Witherspoon and if his DOB and marriage is correct I can see where that gels with the backstory. That however does not explain the Penninghame angle, if there is one. It may be as simple as two Williams and two marriages getting conflated.
Also it does not necessarily shed any light on the John Duglass who, I suspect may be my direct ancestor. The birth dates of Johns and Williams first children are circa 25 years apart so we are probably dealing with an earlier generation and there may be no actual connection to William D/Witherspoon.
You will probably know this already but it would be good to know when Cockpen records started as a separate parish. Given the history with the Kers I suspect that Newbattle is older and in fact there is a marriage between James of Queensberry and Mary Kerr in 1692 - again probably down to the Ker base at Newbattle
I have updated the spreadsheet to include the other births.Ancestry%20Douglas.xlsx
William
Just had a look at the update on the stub re Cockpen Douglas I would think that the key thing is sorting out the suggested relationship between William Douglas Awith Grishild McK.
What is known is that a William Duglass and Janet Witherspoon DID have six children between 1694 and 1706 (all Cockpen) and on that basis a birth date of 1668 and a marriage of 1694 does not seen unreasonable.
Clearly that could not reconcile with a Marriage to GMCK in Penninghame in 1693 with children being born from 1693 onwards.
The only provisional conclusion that I can draw is that there are two marriages there and that the GMK one is a bit of a red herring
Ancestry%20Douglas.xlsx
I think I may have now managed to attach a file of the Douglas birth data for Cockpen and Newbattle from 1650. An potentially interesting point is that prior to that date there are no Douglas births so either the records are not held at SRO or there were none to record. The fact that William married to a Witherspoon was born in Dumfries may indicate that the Douglas connection is after 1650 in that locality
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Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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