The Douglas Archives2024-03-28T12:48:24ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkleyhttps://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3003265355?profile=original&width=48&height=48&crop=1%3A1https://douglashistory.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1hty19g2o9qjj&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendleshamtag:douglashistory.ning.com,2024-02-07:3482022:Topic:1660732024-02-07T13:10:51.183ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p>Looking for any information about Lord Spencer Hamilton.</p>
<p>According to information sources such as Burkes Peerage, Spencer Hamilton is said to have died unmarried.</p>
<p>Genealogy sites such as WikiTree don't like to except Burkes Peerage, thepeerage.com, and similar resources as providing dependable source material for evidence.</p>
<p>I have read some information about him being a sports lover person, horse racing I believe, dying in France and a story about him being asked to…</p>
<p>Looking for any information about Lord Spencer Hamilton.</p>
<p>According to information sources such as Burkes Peerage, Spencer Hamilton is said to have died unmarried.</p>
<p>Genealogy sites such as WikiTree don't like to except Burkes Peerage, thepeerage.com, and similar resources as providing dependable source material for evidence.</p>
<p>I have read some information about him being a sports lover person, horse racing I believe, dying in France and a story about him being asked to supply men to help contain a riot, he was a Lt Col in the Tower's Guards.</p>
<p>According to my family's history he did marry, to a Charlotte Spencer, and had two children.</p>
<p>One offspring was a son, named after him, also called Spencer Hamilton, who died young, and the other was named Anne Elizabeth Hamilton.</p>
<p>Anne married a Philip Wynter, whose granddaughter, Fanny Maria Wynter was born in Australia and is my great grandmother.</p>
<p>I would very much like to be able to confirm his place in the family tree and would also like to place his alleged wife, Charlotte Spencer, in her family tree.</p>
<p>Charlotte could relate to the Spencer Family of Rendlesham family or Sir John Spencer family, but I haven't found any evidence to support her position.</p>
<p>Both WikiTree and the Familysearch.org tree have them both in, so next to find BDM records to provide evidence.</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/LBXC-M5M">Lord Spencer Hamilton (1742–1791) • Person • Family Tree • FamilySearch</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hamilton-13">Spencer Hamilton (1742-1791) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree</a></p>
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<p></p> William Drysdale of Mount Sterling Kentucky, Father of James Drysdale of Rush Countytag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-10-01:3482022:Topic:1643002023-10-01T15:12:48.902ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p><strong>William Drysdale</strong> was born near<br></br> Mount Sterling, <strong>Kentucky</strong>, July 17, 1815;<br></br> died at Virginia April 7th, 1898. He<br></br> moved to Rush county, Ind, and in<br></br> 1887 he married <strong>Miss Elizabeth Earnest</strong><br></br> who died in 1879. <strong>To this union</strong><br></br> <strong>13 children were born</strong>. In 1866 he<br></br> moved to Morgan county, in 1868 he<br></br> moved to Bates county. In 1877 he<br></br> and his neighbors commenced build-<br></br> ing the…</p>
<p><strong>William Drysdale</strong> was born near<br/> Mount Sterling, <strong>Kentucky</strong>, July 17, 1815;<br/> died at Virginia April 7th, 1898. He<br/> moved to Rush county, Ind, and in<br/> 1887 he married <strong>Miss Elizabeth Earnest</strong><br/> who died in 1879. <strong>To this union</strong><br/> <strong>13 children were born</strong>. In 1866 he<br/> moved to Morgan county, in 1868 he<br/> moved to Bates county. In 1877 he<br/> and his neighbors commenced build-<br/> ing the Mount Carmel church on the<br/> old methodist plan a little at a time<br/> and has always been used as<br/> union church since. The trusteeswere</p>
<p><strong>Johnson Hill, Jas Cowgill, Oliver</strong><br/> <strong>Elswick, Newton King, Wm. Hardinger</strong><br/> <strong> and Pleasant Hill</strong>, all of whom<br/> are dead except the three latter, In<br/> the spring of 1880 he married <strong>Dee-</strong><br/> <strong>damonia Kennedy</strong> of Rush county,<br/> Ind. In 1881 he sold his farm and<br/> moved to Virginia, but when able<br/> always attended church at Mount<br/> Carmel, <strong>He purchased the general</strong><br/> <strong>merchandise store of B F Jenkins,</strong><br/> which he conducted until too old,</p>
<p>when the business was <strong>turned over</strong><br/> <strong>to his youngest son, Omar</strong>, who is<br/> still at the same place. He has filed-<br/> nearly all the township offices with<br/> credit. He was a strong man phyl-<br/> cally and mentally, are in his con-<br/> victions of right and wrong. The<br/> last few years of his life his memory<br/> failed him; the past six months he<br/> suffered Intensely. Funeral services<br/> at the ME church were conducted<br/> by Rev. Wm. Pyle, after which the<br/> remains were laid to rest in the Mor<br/> ria graveyard by the side of his wife,<br/> followed by a large concourse of sor<br/> sorrowing relatives and friends. Seven<br/> of his children have preceded him to<br/> that better land; <strong>those living are</strong><br/> <strong>Henry, of Rush county, Ind, Steph</strong><br/> <strong>of Morgan county, Mo, James, of</strong><br/> <strong>Butler, Omer, of Virginia, Ballie-</strong><br/> <strong>Sherick and Mary Dark,</strong> of near<br/> Mount Carmel, all of whom were<br/> present at the funeral We have<br/> been acquainted with Uncle Billy<br/> Drysdale for 20 years; to know him was to love him. <br/> <br/> Sam Hawkins and wife of Pleasanten, Kansas,</p>
<p> Wm Kennedy and wife of Passaic, </p>
<p> Mr Haynes and wife of Foster,</p>
<p>Everett Drysdale and wife of Butler, </p>
<p>Mrs John Drysdale of Pleasanton, Kansas, </p>
<p>attended the funeral of Uncle Billy Drysdale.</p>
<p>Image courtesy of Beth Drysdale Pribble. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/12237709069?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/12237709069?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> JAMES DRYSDALE of Rush county, Indianatag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-10-01:3482022:Topic:1641322023-10-01T13:17:54.964ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
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<p>JAMES DRYSDALE.</p>
<p>The subject of this srvetch was born in Rush county, Indiana, in 1843; <br></br> was the third child of <strong>William and Elizabeth (Ernest) Drvsdale. The</strong> <br></br> <strong>former was born in Montgomery county, Kentucky, in 1815,</strong> and was of <br></br> Scotch descent, and the latter was born in Severe county, Teniicssee, in <br></br> 1821, and was of German desent. They immigrated to Rush county, Ind., <br></br> in 1835, became acquainted and were married in…</p>
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<p>JAMES DRYSDALE.</p>
<p>The subject of this srvetch was born in Rush county, Indiana, in 1843; <br/> was the third child of <strong>William and Elizabeth (Ernest) Drvsdale. The</strong> <br/> <strong>former was born in Montgomery county, Kentucky, in 1815,</strong> and was of <br/> Scotch descent, and the latter was born in Severe county, Teniicssee, in <br/> 1821, and was of German desent. They immigrated to Rush county, Ind., <br/> in 1835, became acquainted and were married in 1837. James was brought <br/> up on a farm, and in a mill which his father was engaged in at that time. <br/> Was educated principally at country and select, or subscription schools. <br/> Entered the army in 1862, serving in the 22nd Battery of Light Artillery. <br/> Was a non-commissioned officer as line surgeon. Was with <br/> Sherman on the Atlanta campaign, and with Thomas at Frank- <br/> lin and Nashville. Was dischaiged at the end of the war in 1865. Moved <br/> to Morgan county, Mo., in 1867. and to Bates county in 1868. Settled in <br/> Charlotte township on sec. 34, improved farm of 120 acres, taught school <br/> at No. 6, New Home township, during the fall and winters of '72, '73 and <br/> '74. In 1876 was elected clerk and assessor of the township, and also was <br/> appointed and took the census of the township for '76, which was the Cen- <br/> tennial year. Was twice again elected and filled the office of Clerk and <br/> Assessor of the township. In 1S90 he was elected County Clerk by the <br/> Union Labor party, and filled that offie for the term of four years. In 1895 <br/> was appointed City Clerk for the city of Butler and filled that office until <br/> the next city election. In 1898 he was nominated for Mayor on the <br/> Citizen's Ticket, but was defeated by a small majority. In 1898 he was <br/> nominated by the People's party for Presiding Judge of the County Court, <br/> and was defeated by Samuel West, Democrat, by a tew votes. Is at present <br/> time treasurer ot the Old Settler's organization and engaged in the real <br/> estate business. He has been a ruling elder in the C. P. church for many <br/> years. In 1874 was married to Elmira M. Elswick, daughter of Oliver Els- <br/> wick. She was born in Monroe county, Iowa, in 1852, and moved with <br/> her father's family to Bates county. Mo., in 1858, where she has since re- <br/> sided, except in time of the war. They have three children. Charles <br/> Harlen, Cora Myrtle and Mary Estella, who are all now grown.</p>
<p>..''James Drysdale, being interviewed said:</p>
<p>"I came to this county in 1868, and settled on a farm one <br/> mile west of Ft. Toothman. I also own the 40 adjoining the <br/> Toothman farm on the west.''.. he went on about a battle</p>
<p>and 21 bodies being buried nearby </p>
<p>Source: page 188</p>
<p>The old settlers history of Bates county Missouri</p> Samuel Irvine Dryadale of Jessamine County, Kentuckytag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-09-21:3482022:Topic:1642592023-09-21T11:39:09.238ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
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<div><span>. Samuel Irvine Dryadale.</span></div>
<p>. .Died, In this city, Tuesday, August<br></br> 13th, Samuel Irvine Drysdale, aged<br></br> 79 years, 5 months and 21 days.<br></br> Mr. Drysdale was bom in Jessamine<br></br> county, Kentucky, February 22,<br></br> 1822; was married to Miss Belinda<br></br> Porter Ingram, of Adair county, May<br></br> 7th, 1846; moved to Missouri in the<br></br> rail ot 1852 and settled on a farm<br></br> twelve miles south of this city;<br></br> joined the Baptist…</p>
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<div><span>. Samuel Irvine Dryadale.</span></div>
<p>. .Died, In this city, Tuesday, August<br/> 13th, Samuel Irvine Drysdale, aged<br/> 79 years, 5 months and 21 days.<br/> Mr. Drysdale was bom in Jessamine<br/> county, Kentucky, February 22,<br/> 1822; was married to Miss Belinda<br/> Porter Ingram, of Adair county, May<br/> 7th, 1846; moved to Missouri in the<br/> rail ot 1852 and settled on a farm<br/> twelve miles south of this city;<br/> joined the Baptist church in this city<br/> under the ministration of Dr. Dulin;<br/> moved to Sweet Springs In 1881; re<br/> turned to this city In 1900.<br/> , Such Is a brief outline of the prin<br/> cipal events in the life of an old<br/> citizen. When be was a young man,<br/> living in Kentucky, he was chosen as<br/> captain of a company of state guards.<br/> In those times "muster day' was a<br/> great event. His company afterward<br/> volunteered for the Mexican war, but<br/> the young captain bad been married<br/> but a short time, and resigned his<br/> commission. While In this city be<br/> was once or twice elected to the city<br/> council from the fourth ward. While<br/> In Sweet Springs be served ten years<br/> as city collector, and refased a re<br/> election, as he Intended returning to<br/> Lexington.<br/> He was a man of fine mind and<br/> thorough convictions When. he set<br/> tled upon a course he pursued it<br/> without turning to the right or left. .<br/> He was always well posted on the<br/> affairs of state and nation, and took<br/> great Interest in political matters.<br/> He was a man of large heart, and his</p>
<p>house was always open. He enjoyed company, and hospitality was second nature with him.<br/> He was the father of eight children,<br/> all of whom were at his bedside when<br/> he died. There were: James E.<br/> Drysdale, of St.. Louis; Mrs. Mollie<br/> Zeller, of Kansas City; Mrs. W. G.<br/> Musgrove, of this city; Mrs. B. 8.<br/> Cromwell, of Kansas City; Samuel I<br/> Drysdale, Misses Kate and Lillie<br/> Drysdale, of this city, and Mrs. E. L.<br/> Spurgeon. of Sweet Springs.<br/> He was a progressive citizen, an<br/> active friend, an indulgent father, a<br/> broad-minded Christian, a genial<br/> companion, a hospitable gentleman.<br/> He despised cowardice, and had no<br/> patience with crime of any sort. lie<br/> was an unusual man, and those who<br/> knew him best admired and respected<br/> him most. For four years he baa<br/> been an Invalid, and now his weary<br/> body Is at rest. Peace to his ashes.<br/> The funeral was held Wednesday<br/> afternoon at 2:30 o'clock. Dr.<br/> Manly conducted the services.<br/> Mrs. Sarah Hare and son, narry,<br/> of Joplln, who have been visiting the<br/> family of her father, Mr. John Mul<br/> ligan, left Tuesday evening for<br/> Kansas City, where they will visit<br/> the family of Mr. Thomas Casben<br/> for a few days before returning to<br/> tbelr home In Joplin.</p> New Member Erica Woodward from Dubai is a Spammertag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-09-05:3482022:Topic:1634432023-09-05T17:02:10.853ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p>Erica Woodward is a spammer.</p>
<p>Erica Woodward is a spammer.</p> Piecing together historytag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-09-01:3482022:Topic:1633682023-09-01T12:37:10.686ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
My direct line is Wilson but haven't figured out if that direct line is from Scotland in doing research I found a Jean Dowglas born abt 1624 in west Lothain Scotland on my father's side. I know the spelling is different any help
My direct line is Wilson but haven't figured out if that direct line is from Scotland in doing research I found a Jean Dowglas born abt 1624 in west Lothain Scotland on my father's side. I know the spelling is different any help The devil called Peter Drysdaletag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-06-17:3482022:Topic:1622162023-06-17T14:10:51.867ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p>While in British Columbia, I had a tale related to me by an Acadian - an old story about a devil , dressed in all black with cloven hooves -He looked like any other man except his feet-<br></br> One night the local folks had a dance and the devil dressed in black stopped by and danced with a few of the ladies. He asked one to step outside for more privacy - and poof both disappeared. ---</p>
<p>I certainly put no stock in the story , nor have I been able to find a written copy - possibly it is…</p>
<p>While in British Columbia, I had a tale related to me by an Acadian - an old story about a devil , dressed in all black with cloven hooves -He looked like any other man except his feet-<br/> One night the local folks had a dance and the devil dressed in black stopped by and danced with a few of the ladies. He asked one to step outside for more privacy - and poof both disappeared. ---</p>
<p>I certainly put no stock in the story , nor have I been able to find a written copy - possibly it is written in French. Any other folks heard the above story?</p>
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<p>I read this passage back to the woman who told me the above- </p>
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<p><font color="#333333">...''On the 27th Annabel made a </font><font color="#333333">fuller deposition. She said that last harvest the devil, as a black man, </font><font color="#333333">had come to her mother's house, and required her, the deponent, to give </font><font color="#333333">herself to him; promising that she<span> </span></font>should<font color="#333333"><span> </span>want for nothing good if she</font><br/> <font color="#333333">did. She, being enticed by her mother and Bessie Weir, did as was </font><font color="#333333">desired--</font><font color="#FF0000"><b>putting one hand on the crown of her head, and another on the </b><b>soles of her feet, and giving over to him all that lay between;</b></font><font color="#333333"><span> </span>whereupon</font><br/> <font color="#333333">her mother promised her a new coat, and the devil made her officer at </font><font color="#333333">their several meetings. He gave her, too, such a nip on the arm that she </font><font color="#333333">was sore for half an hour after, and gave her a new name--Annippy, or an </font><font color="#333333">Ape according to Law. Her mother's devil-name was Lands-lady; Bessie Weir</font><br/> <font color="#333333">was called Sopha; Marjorie Craig was Rigeru; Margaret Jackson Locas; John </font><font color="#333333">Stewart, Jonas; and they were all present at the making of the clay image </font><font color="#333333">which was to doom Sir George to death. They made<span> </span></font>it of clay<font color="#333333">, then bound it</font><br/> <font color="#333333">on a spit and turned it before the fire, "Sopha" crying "Sir George</font><br/> <font color="#333333">Maxwell! Sir George Maxwell!" which was repeated by them all.<span> </span></font><b><font color="#333333">Another </font><font color="#333333">time, she said, there was a meeting, when the devil was dressed in "black</font><br/> cloathes<font color="#333333"><span> </span>and a blew band, and white<span> </span></font>hand cuffs<font color="#333333">,<span> </span></font><font color="#FF0000">with hoggers on his feet, and that his feet were cloven.</font><font color="#333333">"<span> </span></font></b><font color="#333333">The black man stuck the pins into the </font><font color="#333333">picture, and his name was Ejoall, or J. Jewell. For the devil delighted in</font><br/> <font color="#333333">giving himself various names,<span> </span></font><font color="#FF0000"><b>as when he caused himself to be called </b><b>Peter Drysdale</b></font><font color="#333333">, by Catherine Sands and Laurie Moir, and Peter Saleway by </font><font color="#333333">others.</font></p>
<p>John now followed suit. He confessed to his own baptism; to the hoggers on the black man's legs, who had no shoes, and spoke in a voice hollow and ghousty; to the making the clay image; and to his new name of Jonas. On the 15th of February, 1677, <strong><em>John Stewart, Annabel Stewart, and Margaret </em></strong><strong><em>Jackson all adhered to these depositions''...</em></strong></p>
<p><a href="https://douglashistory.ning.com/group/drysdale-archives/page/witch-stories-peter-drysdale-jennet-douglas">https://douglashistory.ning.com/group/drysdale-archives/page/witch-stories-peter-drysdale-jennet-douglas</a><br/><br/></p> Hello from Robert Douglas Glovertag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-06-12:3482022:Topic:1624462023-06-12T09:44:18.227ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p>Hello all, I am new to the forum</p>
<p>I am researching any and all Douglas lines in Argyllshire and the adjacent shires. My earliest known DOUGLAS ancestor is Kenneth Douglas 1745-1804, and his father (his name is yet to be discovered) has been remembered by successive generations since, as having fought at Culloden on the Jacobite side. I've looked at the Muster Roll of the Jacobite Army that was compiled after the battle of Culloden by the Hanoverian Army under the command of the Duke of…</p>
<p>Hello all, I am new to the forum</p>
<p>I am researching any and all Douglas lines in Argyllshire and the adjacent shires. My earliest known DOUGLAS ancestor is Kenneth Douglas 1745-1804, and his father (his name is yet to be discovered) has been remembered by successive generations since, as having fought at Culloden on the Jacobite side. I've looked at the Muster Roll of the Jacobite Army that was compiled after the battle of Culloden by the Hanoverian Army under the command of the Duke of Cumberland, and it records just seven (7) Douglas names. Three (3) served with the Ecossais Royale, two (2) with the Atholl Brigade, one (1) with John Roy Stuarts Coy Edinburgh, and lastly one (1) with Stewarts Coy which "I think" refers to the Appin Stewart Regiment. This last person, James Douglas is my person of interest. That said, I'm mindfull that the accuracy of the Muster Roll cannot be known, and it should be expected that they would contain some errors and omissions. Moving on, my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother Mary Douglas (1816-1893) was the grand daughter of Kenneth Douglas and it was with her, that began a tradition that some children of every following generation, either male or female, would carry forward the proud name of Douglas.</p>
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<p>Robert Douglas Glover</p>
<p>Australia</p> Living researchtag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-06-10:3482022:Topic:1623332023-06-10T12:52:13.046ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p> I have been researching my family history. only got as far as my father, born 31st March1904 in Aston Manor/ Birmingham UK/ he was born illegitimate to a Robina McEwen, He died in 1958</p>
<p>He was baptised in the RC parish church Brierley Hill in 1905. Fathers name given Andrew Douglas, no mother is mentioned. My father is named as Ernest George Douglas</p>
<p>I beleve the father could be a Andrew Richmond Douglas. I have traced the blood line of Andrew Richmond Douglas to living persons…</p>
<p> I have been researching my family history. only got as far as my father, born 31st March1904 in Aston Manor/ Birmingham UK/ he was born illegitimate to a Robina McEwen, He died in 1958</p>
<p>He was baptised in the RC parish church Brierley Hill in 1905. Fathers name given Andrew Douglas, no mother is mentioned. My father is named as Ernest George Douglas</p>
<p>I beleve the father could be a Andrew Richmond Douglas. I have traced the blood line of Andrew Richmond Douglas to living persons in Bristol. Having made contact with them via postal letters they decided they did not wish to be part of any research due to any trouble it may cause and ill health. By the tone of their letter I feel I am on the right track</p>
<p>I am now trying to locate a younger member of the family in the hope that they will be willing to agree to a DNA test to prove one way or the other if I am correct in thinking Andrew Richmond Douglas is my Grandfather. This would allow me to continue to research my family history. </p>
<p>Andrew Richmond Douglas was trained as a doctor, he had a practise in Cambridge, married Beatrice Anne Boulton and moved with his two step children to Stoke on Trent in a new practice.He work as a ships doctor for a short while and later became a surgeon.</p>
<p>Became a member of the Free Mason at the Elloe Lodge Spalding, in 10th March 1904. He took the name Ahbedin, which I think means worshiper. </p>
<p>I would like to try and find a Jemme louise Douglas born 1979 </p>
<p>Father Charles Neil Douglas. Mother maiden name Johnston.Family line Andrew Richmond Douglas...Andrew Leslie Sinclair Douglas...Charles Neil Douglas...Andrew Neil Douglas....Jemma Louise Douglas</p>
<p>I fully realise that this is not that far back in regards to family history. But until I have resolved this issue I will be unable to proceed. I would welcome any information or advice provided</p>
<p>Kind regards, Andrew Douglas</p> Jones-Douglas Conundrumtag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-17:3482022:Topic:1622702023-05-17T22:23:21.591ZPatti Oldham Pinkleyhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/PattiOldhamPinkley
<p>Kia ora everyone, I've decided to post something here after hitting a bit of a wall in trying to untangle a bit of a confusion in my family's recordings of our history, and so I'm sharing it here on the off chance that someone might know something :)</p>
<p>There's a story, in my family, which goes that my great grandfather grew up knowing himself as Walter Jones, until WW1 came around. He, born in 1901, was too young to participate, but attempted to join a local boys group (he lived in…</p>
<p>Kia ora everyone, I've decided to post something here after hitting a bit of a wall in trying to untangle a bit of a confusion in my family's recordings of our history, and so I'm sharing it here on the off chance that someone might know something :)</p>
<p>There's a story, in my family, which goes that my great grandfather grew up knowing himself as Walter Jones, until WW1 came around. He, born in 1901, was too young to participate, but attempted to join a local boys group (he lived in Middlesborough, Yorkshire, at the time)- this, for whatever reason, would require proof of his identity, such as a birth certificate. His mother (Isabella) fought him at every turn, denying any possibility that he could join specifically because it required identification, and being quite dodgy about the topic. Being a 13 year old, he naturally wanted to find out why his mother was behaving in such a way, and went snooping for his birth certificate. When he found it, he also found that his name wasn't Walter Jones, but Walter Douglass, and that his father was not Walter T Jones, his mother's husband, but a different man, with the surname Douglass. While how Isabella reacted to this, or any of the drama that would come out as a result of such a discovery, is not remembered, Walter did end up going by his legal name, and would later move from England to New Zealand in 1938. </p>
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<p>However, the version of the story recorded on our ancestry, differs from this oral version. Rather, it says that Isabella's maiden name is Douglass and our Douglas ancestry is her line, Walter is listed as the child of Walter Jones and Isabella, and that the story regarding WW1 is: "volunteered for service aboard a paddle steamer across Dardinells and was issued with uniform. His mother protested he was under age. He also found his name was Douglass not Jones at this time. Walter spent the war in merchant navy -family history". His siblings are also listed with a variety of surnames, excluding married names (Douglass, Douglass-Jones, or a few even called Hogarth/Hoggarth- no reason for this is noted). And there are other details that are unlikely, such as the first child of Isabella and Walter Sr being born when they were 9 and 10 respectively. </p>
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<p>Our ancestry records were compiled by my grandmother, who began research into our family history over 50 years ago, and who has been digitalising her records for longer than I've been alive (I hope I'm not making anyone feel old in saying that), and unfortunately her memory has long been on the decline. There are many points on the family tree that I'm trying to clarify and correct, but unfortunately there are a lot of records to go over, and none of her children took much interest in genealogy, so there's no one I can ask for clarifications or fixes over such issues. If think you might know something, any help would be appreciated. Attached is an image of Walter Douglass, and his mother Isabella. </p>