Ann Douglas (married to Walter White), connected to Douglas of Ulston, Jedburgh - The Douglas Archives2024-03-28T19:32:15Zhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/forum/topics/ann-douglas-married-to-walter-white-connected-to-douglas-of?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe Land Tax Rolls of 1803 an…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-08-29:3482022:Comment:980632020-08-29T02:42:56.246ZJohn Bonnhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JohnFrancisBonn
<p>The Land Tax Rolls of 1803 and 1811 have one Adam Douglas as holding 2 portions at Ulston (valued at 40 pounds each). No mention of a Robert having a taxable holding at that time.</p>
<p>The above Adam, Portioner in Ulston, died c1811 (possibly at Tweedmouth, Northumberland) [suggested by 1811 record in NRS Catalogue); his death not found. Adam's wife, Isobel Hope, died on 10 Mar 1822 at Berwick, Northumberland [per Caledonian Mercury, 23-3-1822].</p>
<p>What is unclear is who succeeded to…</p>
<p>The Land Tax Rolls of 1803 and 1811 have one Adam Douglas as holding 2 portions at Ulston (valued at 40 pounds each). No mention of a Robert having a taxable holding at that time.</p>
<p>The above Adam, Portioner in Ulston, died c1811 (possibly at Tweedmouth, Northumberland) [suggested by 1811 record in NRS Catalogue); his death not found. Adam's wife, Isobel Hope, died on 10 Mar 1822 at Berwick, Northumberland [per Caledonian Mercury, 23-3-1822].</p>
<p>What is unclear is who succeeded to Adam's two Portions in Ulston. Commonly it would be his eldest son (Robert b1773).</p>
<p>The 1818 Settlement of Adam's brother Robert, describes that Robert as "Portioner in Ulston", so it seems brother Robert had by then acquired a "Portion" in Ulston, either from Adam or from a third party. Brother Robert's 1818 Settlement indicates he and Adam had previously exchanged some holdings, but the holdings acquired by Robert under that exchange are described in that 1818 Settlement as cot-houses, yards etc, they don't appear to be a "Portion".</p>
<p>I suppose it's possible that a Settlement (presumably by Adam & Robert's father) by which Adam acquired his Portions in Ulston may have contained a provision that on Adam's death, one or both Portions pass to brother Robert.</p>
<p>What I can glean from Robert's 1818 Settlement, is that he isn't the Robert Douglas who married Isabel Taylor, because that couple didn't have a "second son John" (at least according to the births indexed in ScotPeople & FamSearch). Further, the 1779 Marriage Record in Leith South for Robert & Isabel Taylor describes the groom as "Farmer in Ulston", and the 1780 Bap Record for their first son Robert describes the father as "Tenant in Ulston" - not as "Portioner", the proprietor of the land.</p>
<p>With Adams and Roberts appearing from some generations back, it's quite possible there are multiple "cousin" families still floating about Jedburgh, all containing Adams & Roberts as brothers.</p> I have added a bit more: http…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-08-28:3482022:Comment:979652020-08-28T08:29:26.626ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>I have added a bit more: <a href="http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/families/ulston.html#.X0jADchKiUk">http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/families/ulston.html </a></p>
<p>It gives a bit of context to the generational descendancy - but not a lot</p>
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<p>I have added a bit more: <a href="http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/families/ulston.html#.X0jADchKiUk">http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/families/ulston.html </a></p>
<p>It gives a bit of context to the generational descendancy - but not a lot</p>
<p>W</p> Thanks William. Nothing like…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-08-28:3482022:Comment:979612020-08-28T04:28:55.749ZJohn Bonnhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JohnFrancisBonn
<p>Thanks William. Nothing like plenty of generational Adams and Roberts to keep things nice and complicated for a researcher!</p>
<p>Hopefully someone will eventually reply with info from those NRS records.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>John</p>
<p>Thanks William. Nothing like plenty of generational Adams and Roberts to keep things nice and complicated for a researcher!</p>
<p>Hopefully someone will eventually reply with info from those NRS records.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>John</p> I have this note on Ulston:TH…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-08-25:3482022:Comment:979562020-08-25T09:27:56.043ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>I have this note on Ulston:<br></br><br></br>THE BARONY OF ULSTON <br></br>It has been noted that in the seventeenth century the lands <br></br>of the Barony were scattered among different purchasers, and <br></br>among others of these portions, were the family of Douglas, <br></br>still represented at the present day in the person of Mr John <br></br>Douglas. Other proprietors were James Haswell, James and <br></br>Margaret Eobson, William Kirtoune, but of these there are <br></br>now no descendants, the ground being now part…</p>
<p>I have this note on Ulston:<br/><br/>THE BARONY OF ULSTON <br/>It has been noted that in the seventeenth century the lands <br/>of the Barony were scattered among different purchasers, and <br/>among others of these portions, were the family of Douglas, <br/>still represented at the present day in the person of Mr John <br/>Douglas. Other proprietors were James Haswell, James and <br/>Margaret Eobson, William Kirtoune, but of these there are <br/>now no descendants, the ground being now part of that belonging <br/>to Lord Stratheden. In the valuation of 1643 the amount <br/>placed against John Douglas and William Douglas is forty <br/>pounds each. From a Precept of Clare Constat, dated 16th <br/>March 1677, granted by Robert, Earl of Lothian, in favour of <br/>Adam Douglas, portioner in Ulston, as nearest lawful heir to <br/>his father, John Douglas, it looks as if this were the valuation <br/>of 1| husband lands in Ulston, with pertinents and pendicles <br/>mentioned in the deed. On the same date there was also a <br/>Precept granted to William Douglas, as heir to his grandfather, <br/>of 1| husband lands in Ulston, with pertinents and pendicles. <br/>In the proposed valuation of 1788 the property appears in the <br/>name of Robert Douglas. This portion of the barony was<br/>known as Mount Ulston, extending to 104 acres, and ultimately <br/>in 1845 became the property of Lord Stratheden. The furthest <br/>back laird was William Douglas, to whom succeeded John <br/>Douglas, followed by, in succession, Adam Douglas, Andrew <br/>Douglas, Adam Douglas, Robert Douglas, Adam Douglas, <br/>Robert Douglas, William Fair, James Henderson,* James <br/>Hunter, Margaret Hunter, John Marshall, Henry Black, Honble. <br/>William Frederick Campbell.</p>
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<p>This does not make it clear if the lands passed from father to son.</p> National Records of Scotland…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-08-25:3482022:Comment:979532020-08-25T09:19:07.929ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p><span>National Records of Scotland is closed due to the current health emergency, so no physical searches are possible, per temp.<br/><br/>Adam gets a mention in this: <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25529126?seq=1">https://www.jstor.org/stable/25529126?seq=1</a> </span></p>
<p><span>William</span></p>
<p><span>National Records of Scotland is closed due to the current health emergency, so no physical searches are possible, per temp.<br/><br/>Adam gets a mention in this: <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25529126?seq=1">https://www.jstor.org/stable/25529126?seq=1</a> </span></p>
<p><span>William</span></p>