Douglases in Cockpen - 18th century and before - The Douglas Archives2024-03-29T01:47:06Zhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/forum/topics/douglases-in-cockpen-18th-century-and-before?x=1&id=3482022%3ATopic%3A52629&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI've sent you a link to your…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-29:3482022:Comment:1619962023-05-29T12:35:01.403ZJenny Blainhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JennyBlain
<p>I've sent you a link to your username, Diane.</p>
<p>I've sent you a link to your username, Diane.</p> Hi Jenny. I thought better of…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-29:3482022:Comment:1623022023-05-29T07:02:25.292ZDiane Louise CRENGLEhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/DianeLouiseCRENGLE
Hi Jenny. I thought better of my email address in public but happy if you contact me through Ancestry.com. hcrengle1 is username. I couldn't locate your mentioned tree this afternoon. It would a long reach to find DNA Matches for me further back than the generations of siblings Matches from David and Marion (5th gt grandfather to me) I would think but am very happy to have your thoughts and explore if a shared ancestor DNA connection at 7th gt grandparent could be there with the help of some…
Hi Jenny. I thought better of my email address in public but happy if you contact me through Ancestry.com. hcrengle1 is username. I couldn't locate your mentioned tree this afternoon. It would a long reach to find DNA Matches for me further back than the generations of siblings Matches from David and Marion (5th gt grandfather to me) I would think but am very happy to have your thoughts and explore if a shared ancestor DNA connection at 7th gt grandparent could be there with the help of some searchable names. The younger William Douglas a…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-28:3482022:Comment:1623002023-05-28T17:28:04.125ZJenny Blainhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JennyBlain
<p>The younger William Douglas and his wife are in Poll Tax records in 1694, in household with his mother Margaret Cuthbert(son); there is also the elder William Douglas, most probably uncle of the younger one (i.e. brother of David), and his wife. Both Williams are tenant farmers in Dalhousie. <br></br>The younger William died in August 1720, and the testament dative was drawn up obviously after this. Though it's a testament dative (not testamentar) so there is no 'latterwill', it contains much…</p>
<p>The younger William Douglas and his wife are in Poll Tax records in 1694, in household with his mother Margaret Cuthbert(son); there is also the elder William Douglas, most probably uncle of the younger one (i.e. brother of David), and his wife. Both Williams are tenant farmers in Dalhousie. <br/>The younger William died in August 1720, and the testament dative was drawn up obviously after this. Though it's a testament dative (not testamentar) so there is no 'latterwill', it contains much useful family information including that William had been married previously and had two daughters from the first marriage, in addition to the children of the second marriage to Janet Witherspoon.</p> Hi Diane,
Thanks for the mess…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-28:3482022:Comment:1619942023-05-28T16:52:32.884ZJenny Blainhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JennyBlain
<p>Hi Diane,</p>
<p>Thanks for the message, and glad to have been of help. May I ask which DNA test(s) you've done, in case there are matches with any of my closer family?</p>
<p>William's father was David Douglas. There is a series of deeds relating to a piece of land that was transferred to David ('servant' to Lord George Ramsay) then passed to his son William, then (after William died in debt) 'disposed' back to the feudal superior who by that time was William, Earl of Dalhousie.<br></br>The…</p>
<p>Hi Diane,</p>
<p>Thanks for the message, and glad to have been of help. May I ask which DNA test(s) you've done, in case there are matches with any of my closer family?</p>
<p>William's father was David Douglas. There is a series of deeds relating to a piece of land that was transferred to David ('servant' to Lord George Ramsay) then passed to his son William, then (after William died in debt) 'disposed' back to the feudal superior who by that time was William, Earl of Dalhousie.<br/>The first deed was from 1659, catalogued by NRS as "<span>Charter by George, Lord Ramsay, to David Douglas, his servant, and Margaret Cuthbert, spouse of said David, of a piece of land in Dalhowssie occupied by the said David, James Whytlaw and Christian Kello"</span> </p>
<p>The deed transferring the land to John Douglas is described as "<span>Precept of clare constat by William, Earl of Dalhousie, in favour of John Douglas, eldest son of deceased William Douglas, son of deceased David Douglas, as heir to his father in the lands contained in GD45/16/358"</span></p>
<p><span>And the testament dative after the death of William Douglas (available from ScotlandsPeople, and which I have) supports the family relationships.</span></p>
<p><span>I have some of this in my 'Rentons, Philips and Blains' tree on Ancestry, which you may be able to find i you have access. If you don't, I can send a link to your email address, if you wish.</span></p>
<p><span>David Douglas is also mentioned in some items in the Kirk Session minutes.</span></p>
<p><span>Best regards, Jenny</span></p> hi Jenny
I'm a descendent of…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2023-05-25:3482022:Comment:1619872023-05-25T10:11:58.734ZDiane Louise CRENGLEhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/DianeLouiseCRENGLE
<p>hi Jenny</p>
<p>I'm a descendent of Charles, grandson of David Douglas and Marion Ronaldson, from which I have confirming DNA Matches. Charles migrated to NZ with his wife Catherine Kent in 1860 and I live there. David Douglas appears to be the grandson of James Douglas and May/Marjorie Lindsay, through their son Robert Douglas, married to Mary Carse (of the irregular marriage). I think you have James as the second son of William Duglass and his wife Janet Witherspoon. I wanted to let you…</p>
<p>hi Jenny</p>
<p>I'm a descendent of Charles, grandson of David Douglas and Marion Ronaldson, from which I have confirming DNA Matches. Charles migrated to NZ with his wife Catherine Kent in 1860 and I live there. David Douglas appears to be the grandson of James Douglas and May/Marjorie Lindsay, through their son Robert Douglas, married to Mary Carse (of the irregular marriage). I think you have James as the second son of William Duglass and his wife Janet Witherspoon. I wanted to let you know I have really appreciated the work you did, a decade ago, as it has helped me establish the social class and occupations of my proven Douglas ancestors. Were there more resolutions about who William Duglass's father might be? Are there more certainties about class and relationships to the earls? </p> I am looking for any mention…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2019-10-13:3482022:Comment:949122019-10-13T10:38:50.770ZChris Mallouhihttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/ChrisMallouhi
<p>I am looking for any mention of two Douglas Xgrandmothers in this area. Sorry I do not have any other information except their names appearing on their childrens' birth certificates.</p>
<p>OPR for Cockpen, Ref 676/1 </p>
<ol start="1775">
<li>Ann lawful Daughter to John Reid and <strong>Jean Douglas</strong> his spouse was born at</li>
</ol>
<p>Dalhousie the 13th and baptised the 19th of March 1775 in presence of the</p>
<p>Congregation.</p>
<p></p>
<p>AND…</p>
<p>I am looking for any mention of two Douglas Xgrandmothers in this area. Sorry I do not have any other information except their names appearing on their childrens' birth certificates.</p>
<p>OPR for Cockpen, Ref 676/1 </p>
<ol start="1775">
<li>Ann lawful Daughter to John Reid and <strong>Jean Douglas</strong> his spouse was born at</li>
</ol>
<p>Dalhousie the 13th and baptised the 19th of March 1775 in presence of the</p>
<p>Congregation.</p>
<p></p>
<p>AND <span style="caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-family: Optima; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"><strong>Agnes Douglas</strong> married Joseph Torrance b1736 in Borthwick and their son Richard was born 1771 Dalhousie. OPR for Cockpen, Ref 676/1<br/>1771. Richard lawful son to Joseph Torrance and Agnes Douglas his spouse was born at<br/>Dalhousie the 21st and baptised the 28th of April 1771 in the face of the congregation.<br/>I assume his father Joseph was the witness for the birth of Richard’s son George in 1793, but it<br/>may have been a brother of Richard’s with the same name.<br/>There is no sign of Joseph Torrance and Agnes Douglas’ marriage but their first child,<br/>Margaret, was born in 1757 in Borthwick. Joseph Torrance’s parents were probably William Torrance and Margaret Brakenridge. OPR for Borthwick, Ref 674/1<br/>1736. Febry 20. Joseph natural son to William Torrance and Margaret Brakenridge was<br/>baptised. Witnesses John Laing and William Brunton.</span></p>
<p><span style="caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-family: Optima; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;">So I speculate that these Douglas women were connected. We cannot find marriage or birth certificates for them. Other connecting names:Mc Laren, Wilson, Ferguson<br/></span></p>
<p><span style="caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-family: Optima; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;">If anyone comes across these connections please get back to me.</span></p> Isabel wife of john Knox died…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2015-07-28:3482022:Comment:731522015-07-28T21:13:58.514ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>Isabel wife of john Knox died November 1664 but more than that I have yet to discover.</p>
<p>Isabel wife of john Knox died November 1664 but more than that I have yet to discover.</p> Hi William. Do you know anyth…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2015-07-28:3482022:Comment:730592015-07-28T18:45:54.415ZJenny Blainhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JennyBlain
<p>Hi William. Do you know anything further about Isobel Douglas? I'm wondering if she was from around Cockpen or if she had come from elsewhere with John Knox who will have studied elsewhere. While we know that David Douglass (a little later) was from Cockpen at the time of his marriage in Fife, and returned there, I know little more about him other than his grant of land from Lord George Ramsay.</p>
<p>Hi William. Do you know anything further about Isobel Douglas? I'm wondering if she was from around Cockpen or if she had come from elsewhere with John Knox who will have studied elsewhere. While we know that David Douglass (a little later) was from Cockpen at the time of his marriage in Fife, and returned there, I know little more about him other than his grant of land from Lord George Ramsay.</p> John Knox son of William Knox…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2015-07-28:3482022:Comment:732502015-07-28T18:24:43.292ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>John Knox son of William Knox (1569-1623), min. of Cockpen (1592-1623), graduated Edinburgh 1610, author of Common Places in Theology, married Isobel Douglas. They had a son, John, also a minister, who succeeded his father.</p>
<p>W. Knox was the son of William K., merchant, Preston and a nephew of John K. the Reformer</p>
<p>John Knox son of William Knox (1569-1623), min. of Cockpen (1592-1623), graduated Edinburgh 1610, author of Common Places in Theology, married Isobel Douglas. They had a son, John, also a minister, who succeeded his father.</p>
<p>W. Knox was the son of William K., merchant, Preston and a nephew of John K. the Reformer</p> Mr. George (Douglas, son of W…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2015-07-28:3482022:Comment:732442015-07-28T10:13:45.468ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>Mr. George (Douglas, son of William, 9th Earl of Angus), who in 1570 received from his father the chaplaincy of Drumlithie, and in 1576 the half of Panlathie. He died at Cockburn before 15 December 1590, and was buried at Douglas.</p>
<p>Mr. George (Douglas, son of William, 9th Earl of Angus), who in 1570 received from his father the chaplaincy of Drumlithie, and in 1576 the half of Panlathie. He died at Cockburn before 15 December 1590, and was buried at Douglas.</p>