Morton - links to Douglas - The Douglas Archives2024-03-29T09:28:35Zhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/forum/topics/morton-links-to-douglas?commentId=3482022%3AComment%3A96557&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFound a c.1200 Morton Castle…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-29:3482022:Comment:964662020-01-29T17:43:07.474ZMark Stephen Elliotthttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/MarkStephenElliott
<p>Found a c.1200 Morton Castle in the locality of Thornhill, and nearer to the concentration the census surname Morton, it is obvious this would be the major surname locality for the surname Morton, though it is possible, but few in proportion that some Morton surnames may come from the near locality where Kinmont is buried. Since the 1654 map shows a K. Morton on it, this means Kirk (chruch) Morton. The Parish of Morton would have originated form near Thornhill. Thornhill is noted as…</p>
<p>Found a c.1200 Morton Castle in the locality of Thornhill, and nearer to the concentration the census surname Morton, it is obvious this would be the major surname locality for the surname Morton, though it is possible, but few in proportion that some Morton surnames may come from the near locality where Kinmont is buried. Since the 1654 map shows a K. Morton on it, this means Kirk (chruch) Morton. The Parish of Morton would have originated form near Thornhill. Thornhill is noted as Anglo-Scandinavian and a Thornhill, Dewsbury, UK besides Thornhill, Dumfries and Galloway, UK, where the Morton Parish is now. </p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3839222816?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3839222816?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Feel they moved their Morton…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-21:3482022:Comment:963672020-01-21T18:00:47.726ZMark Stephen Elliotthttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/MarkStephenElliott
<p>Feel they moved their Morton Parish from Morton to Thornhill, and that is where the confusion comes from. Distribution of surname Morton, is now closer to Thornhill then Morton.</p>
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<p>Feel they moved their Morton Parish from Morton to Thornhill, and that is where the confusion comes from. Distribution of surname Morton, is now closer to Thornhill then Morton.</p>
<p><a href="https://named.publicprofiler.org/">https://named.publicprofiler.org/</a></p> Thank you
Til now, I had conf…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-21:3482022:Comment:966602020-01-21T11:08:00.221ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Til now, I had confused this with Morton Parish Church<span>, Thornhill</span></p>
<p><span><em>Nothing is visible of the Old Parish Church of Morton (<a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/related?MAPSHEET=NY37NW&SITENUMBER=4">NY37NW 4</a>) which stood within the burial-ground on a slight rise overlooking the river cliff, and to the W of Tower-of-Sark steading (<a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/related?MAPSHEET=NY37NW&SITENUMBER=46">NY37NW 46</a>). Within the…</em></span></p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Til now, I had confused this with Morton Parish Church<span>, Thornhill</span></p>
<p><span><em>Nothing is visible of the Old Parish Church of Morton (<a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/related?MAPSHEET=NY37NW&SITENUMBER=4">NY37NW 4</a>) which stood within the burial-ground on a slight rise overlooking the river cliff, and to the W of Tower-of-Sark steading (<a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/related?MAPSHEET=NY37NW&SITENUMBER=46">NY37NW 46</a>). Within the burial-ground, there is a fine collection of 18th-century graveslabs.</em> - 2 July 1993</span></p> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-20:3482022:Comment:966582020-01-20T02:02:46.450ZMark Stephen Elliotthttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/MarkStephenElliott
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg</a></p>
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<p>note; Will Ellot, Goodman of Gorrombye Gorrenberry is not a direct relative but am directly related to;</p>
<p>File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald %28Elliot%29, Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg</p>
<p>'Willielmo Elwald…</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg</a></p>
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<p>note; Will Ellot, Goodman of Gorrombye Gorrenberry is not a direct relative but am directly related to;</p>
<p>File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald %28Elliot%29, Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg</p>
<p>'Willielmo Elwald de goranberry','Wilelmo elwad de gouinbery', IE William Elwald (Elliott) of Gorrenberry, who assisted Robert Elwald 10th chief of the Elwald-Ellwood-Ellot-Elliot-Eliott-Elliott, family squire to Archibald 'Bell the Cat' Angus, 5th Earl of Angus and referred to as 'Angus' in sasine/deed. Chief Margaret Eliott, our 29th chief is of Redheugh. Will Ellot of Gorrenberry, would be a direct Gorrenberry, landed ancestor which retained the land of Gorrenberry. After border pacification lands ended up in the hands of Buccleuch. In sasine, Walter Scot of Edshaw is the son of David Scot of Buccleuch.</p>
<p><img src="https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Buccleuch-lands-of-Mangerton-Gorrenberry-Whithaugh-and-Elliot-of-Midlem-mill.png"/></p> HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willi…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-20:3482022:Comment:965572020-01-20T01:33:09.311ZMark Stephen Elliotthttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/MarkStephenElliott
<p><a href="https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong.mp4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong</a></p>
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<p>This site will likely disown me for this one William Elliott, noted a direct ancestor, but family, got in with this Bauld Buccleuch, and Armstrong and even one from Mangerton, in 1596 rescued this Kinmont Willie Armstrong from Carlisle prison, so he could of all place be buried in the…</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong.mp4" target="_blank">HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong</a></p>
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<p>This site will likely disown me for this one William Elliott, noted a direct ancestor, but family, got in with this Bauld Buccleuch, and Armstrong and even one from Mangerton, in 1596 rescued this Kinmont Willie Armstrong from Carlisle prison, so he could of all place be buried in the Morton Kirk (church) Cemetery, of Morton Parish at the time. Hope I am not in too much trouble with the Douglas of Morton.</p>
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tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-11:3482022:Comment:961232020-01-11T21:29:03.279ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>Great stuff!</p>
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<p>Great stuff!</p>
<p></p> I have finally established my…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-01-11:3482022:Comment:959172020-01-11T15:43:56.516ZBruce Stewart Mortonhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/BruceStewartMorton
<p>I have finally established my goal!</p>
<p>I am a descendant of the union of David, 4th Earl of Weemys and Lady Anne Douglas, daughter of William, 1st Duke of Queensberry.</p>
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<p>Bruce Morton</p>
<p>I have finally established my goal!</p>
<p>I am a descendant of the union of David, 4th Earl of Weemys and Lady Anne Douglas, daughter of William, 1st Duke of Queensberry.</p>
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<p>Bruce Morton</p> Thank you Robin
I admit to be…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2019-05-27:3482022:Comment:934072019-05-27T09:36:50.513ZBruce Stewart Mortonhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/BruceStewartMorton
<p>Thank you Robin</p>
<p>I admit to being a beginner when it comes to understanding STRs and SNPs. I had this vain hope that there would be a blood link to the Douglas, but DNA testing is still in its early days, and I've only been able to afford FTDNA 67 markers to date.</p>
<p>My maternal line all lies in Aberdeenshire so the further back you go, with less and less mobility, the less likely it is that there would be any link. I have done an mtDNA Full Sequence but surnames are of no…</p>
<p>Thank you Robin</p>
<p>I admit to being a beginner when it comes to understanding STRs and SNPs. I had this vain hope that there would be a blood link to the Douglas, but DNA testing is still in its early days, and I've only been able to afford FTDNA 67 markers to date.</p>
<p>My maternal line all lies in Aberdeenshire so the further back you go, with less and less mobility, the less likely it is that there would be any link. I have done an mtDNA Full Sequence but surnames are of no use.</p>
<p>Bruce</p>
<p></p> Septs sometimes show up in S…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2019-05-26:3482022:Comment:932002019-05-26T21:57:53.615ZRobin Spencerhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/RobinSpencer
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<p>Septs sometimes show up in STR clustering, so I pasted your Y STR data into the large Scottish Y DNA project with the results above: your nearest common ancestor lived about 30 generations ago (~1000 AD) which links you to one kit claiming ancestry named McMeans. Otherwise you have to go back >50 generations ago, long before clans or surnames…</p>
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<p>Septs sometimes show up in STR clustering, so I pasted your Y STR data into the large Scottish Y DNA project with the results above: your nearest common ancestor lived about 30 generations ago (~1000 AD) which links you to one kit claiming ancestry named McMeans. Otherwise you have to go back >50 generations ago, long before clans or surnames existed. In other words, there is no evidence of any connections to Douglas or any other clan in this large dataset. Of course maternal lineage is entirely possible.</p> William
Many thanks for point…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2019-05-20:3482022:Comment:933842019-05-20T10:57:19.426ZBruce Stewart Mortonhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/BruceStewartMorton
<p>William</p>
<p>Many thanks for pointing me to the family search function. I had not appreciated its significance. It came up with 1 match in Scotland, but in Glasgow. All my Mortons so far were in the Lothians. Nevertheless it gives me a start, if only to research the Glasgow husband.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<p>Bruce</p>
<p>William</p>
<p>Many thanks for pointing me to the family search function. I had not appreciated its significance. It came up with 1 match in Scotland, but in Glasgow. All my Mortons so far were in the Lothians. Nevertheless it gives me a start, if only to research the Glasgow husband.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<p>Bruce</p>