Samuel Douglas(s) b.Scotland 1699 d.New Hampshire 1793 Searching for father - The Douglas Archives2024-03-29T11:08:04Zhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/forum/topics/samuel-douglas-s-b-scotland-1699-d-new-hampshire-1793-searching?commentId=3482022%3AComment%3A100065&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPossibly. This is a question…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-19:3482022:Comment:1527392021-04-19T13:45:47.712ZIan Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/IanDouglass
<p>Possibly. This is a question for the architects of the MacDougall DNA Project; it's well beyond the scope of my knowledge. However, the analogy they've provided for me on the different Y-haplogroup tests is that the basic Y DNA test on FamilyTreeDNA (Y12) is the equivalent to looking at something through spectacles, whereas the Big Y test is like examining something through a microscope. This is because the basic test looks at 12 different markers of the Y haplogroup, whereas the Big Y test…</p>
<p>Possibly. This is a question for the architects of the MacDougall DNA Project; it's well beyond the scope of my knowledge. However, the analogy they've provided for me on the different Y-haplogroup tests is that the basic Y DNA test on FamilyTreeDNA (Y12) is the equivalent to looking at something through spectacles, whereas the Big Y test is like examining something through a microscope. This is because the basic test looks at 12 different markers of the Y haplogroup, whereas the Big Y test looks at 700 separate markers. According to them, they can now isolate components of the DNA with such precision that they can identify the approximate decades that one mutation derived from another. With this in mind, it was suggested that our family frist broke away from someone in the Gallanach group around 1690. However, I really don't know a thing about it, and I'm awaiting further developments the same as everyone else. :)</p> I note that the MacDougalls o…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-19:3482022:Comment:1530672021-04-19T09:34:31.603ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>I note that the MacDougalls of Callancach only came into being in 1641 <span>when John MacDougall of Torsay was granted the Estate by Alexander MacDougall, 18th of Dunollie.</span></p>
<p>But maybe there was an earlier brianch so called?</p>
<p>I note that the MacDougalls of Callancach only came into being in 1641 <span>when John MacDougall of Torsay was granted the Estate by Alexander MacDougall, 18th of Dunollie.</span></p>
<p>But maybe there was an earlier brianch so called?</p> MacDougall of Gallanach, was…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-19:3482022:Comment:1530662021-04-19T09:01:23.382ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>MacDougall of Gallanach, was established as a Cadet of the Clan in 1641 when John MacDougall of Torsay was granted the Estate by Alexander MacDougall, 18th of Dunollie.</p>
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<p>Of the principle collateral branches of the MacDougalls of Dunollie, are those of Gallanach and Soraba. Of the former, the MacDougalls of Gallanach, the male line has failed: Major James Williamson was granted permission by the Lord Lyon to take the surname of MacDougall, that of his mother, who had owned the…</p>
<p>MacDougall of Gallanach, was established as a Cadet of the Clan in 1641 when John MacDougall of Torsay was granted the Estate by Alexander MacDougall, 18th of Dunollie.</p>
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<p>Of the principle collateral branches of the MacDougalls of Dunollie, are those of Gallanach and Soraba. Of the former, the MacDougalls of Gallanach, the male line has failed: Major James Williamson was granted permission by the Lord Lyon to take the surname of MacDougall, that of his mother, who had owned the Gallanach estate, by Oban. Upon the Major's death (in 1999), he was succeeded by his son, Charles Williamson MacDougall of Gallanach. The estate had passed from the MacDougalls of Gallanach into another family before, that of Patten (J. Patten-MacDougall, with permission by the Lord Lyon), at the turn of the 19th century.</p>
<p>Charles Williamson MacDougall of Gallanach, is currently Cadet of Clan MacDougall.</p> Hey, cuz. :)
Yes, they're/we'…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-18:3482022:Comment:1530652021-04-18T22:18:46.890ZIan Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/IanDouglass
<p>Hey, cuz. :)</p>
<p>Yes, they're/we're confirmed as McDougalls, and definitely confirmed to be related. We can't definitely affirm that they are siblings yet, but it appears that it was no accident that they found themselves living in the same town, or serving with the same set of Rogers' Rangers.</p>
<p>There wasn't anything controversial about the link to Somerled, per se. That fact simply establishes that we are certainly NOT of Douglas(s) descent in the traditional sense.</p>
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<p>Hey, cuz. :)</p>
<p>Yes, they're/we're confirmed as McDougalls, and definitely confirmed to be related. We can't definitely affirm that they are siblings yet, but it appears that it was no accident that they found themselves living in the same town, or serving with the same set of Rogers' Rangers.</p>
<p>There wasn't anything controversial about the link to Somerled, per se. That fact simply establishes that we are certainly NOT of Douglas(s) descent in the traditional sense.</p>
<p>I conferred with the head of the MacDougall DNA Project yesterday, and he believes we further descend directly from the MacDougalls of Gallanach, based on the genetic mutation of our Y-haplogroup. So, now we just need to wait to see what else they are able to unearth. :)</p> Thanks for getting this up, I…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-18:3482022:Comment:1530632021-04-18T04:28:58.236ZBernadine Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/BernadineJoyDouglass
<p>Thanks for getting this up, Ian and for your encouragement getting the testing done.</p>
<p>The Samuel Douglass, just above your ancestor Phineas in both charts, is the match to my dad we got this last week.</p>
<p>Samuel, Phineas and their reported siblings are likely confirmed now? This is really exciting for those of us who had been stuck in that early immigration to new england c.1730. </p>
<p>This provides the link to Somerled that I understand had been a bit controversial. And that…</p>
<p>Thanks for getting this up, Ian and for your encouragement getting the testing done.</p>
<p>The Samuel Douglass, just above your ancestor Phineas in both charts, is the match to my dad we got this last week.</p>
<p>Samuel, Phineas and their reported siblings are likely confirmed now? This is really exciting for those of us who had been stuck in that early immigration to new england c.1730. </p>
<p>This provides the link to Somerled that I understand had been a bit controversial. And that connection takes us way back- so now we try to connect the dots through the MacDougall line to the medieval isles?</p>
<p>Thanks again, Ian</p>
<p>~B</p>
<p></p> This seems like a significant…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-17:3482022:Comment:1529622021-04-17T19:34:20.843ZWilliam Douglashttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/WilliamDouglas
<p>This seems like a significant step forward</p>
<p>This seems like a significant step forward</p> Here's a quick update, Willia…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2021-04-17:3482022:Comment:1529612021-04-17T17:06:37.075ZIan Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/IanDouglass
<p>Here's a quick update, William, just in case more people show up with similar questions about this lineage:</p>
<p>The Douglas DNA group has now concurred with the findings of the MacDougall DNA Project, and has updated the status of this line accordingly by labeling in "McDougall."</p>
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<p>Here's a quick update, William, just in case more people show up with similar questions about this lineage:</p>
<p>The Douglas DNA group has now concurred with the findings of the MacDougall DNA Project, and has updated the status of this line accordingly by labeling in "McDougall."</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8804730489?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8804730489?profile=RESIZE_710x" width="500" class="align-left"/></a></p> Hi, Jackie.
I'd be happy to j…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-10-06:3482022:Comment:1054942020-10-06T03:56:30.331ZIan Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/IanDouglass
<p>Hi, Jackie.</p>
<p>I'd be happy to join whatever group you'd care to invite me into.</p>
<p>Hi, Jackie.</p>
<p>I'd be happy to join whatever group you'd care to invite me into.</p> Ian Douglass I'm from both th…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-10-04:3482022:Comment:1041162020-10-04T01:26:54.443ZJackie Stoddardhttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JackieStoddard
<p>Ian Douglass I'm from both those lines , McDougall McDowall had Drumlanrig before the Douglases, so it may be like the Douglas became Hamilton thing<br/>Id be really happy if you had a gedmatch no you might like to share , see the Douglas DNA group I had set up too , if you wish to join that , your pobviously very clued up<br/> I suspect a lot of my Louisiana Mississippi DNA matches , might originate from "Douglas" and Stewart <br/>where abouts are you ?<br/><br/>regards Jackie<br/><br/></p>
<p>Ian Douglass I'm from both those lines , McDougall McDowall had Drumlanrig before the Douglases, so it may be like the Douglas became Hamilton thing<br/>Id be really happy if you had a gedmatch no you might like to share , see the Douglas DNA group I had set up too , if you wish to join that , your pobviously very clued up<br/> I suspect a lot of my Louisiana Mississippi DNA matches , might originate from "Douglas" and Stewart <br/>where abouts are you ?<br/><br/>regards Jackie<br/><br/></p> Hi, Julie.
In the thread abov…tag:douglashistory.ning.com,2020-09-29:3482022:Comment:1011822020-09-29T17:44:26.516ZIan Douglasshttps://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/IanDouglass
<p>Hi, Julie.</p>
<p>In the thread above you can see how my cousin and I have been grouped within the MacDougall DNA chart.</p>
<p>Below is how we are placed on the Douglas(s) DNA chart. We're the Phineas group in orange:</p>
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<p>I can also confirm that I am R-M512, which is the same as the Drumalanrig line...…</p>
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<p>Hi, Julie.</p>
<p>In the thread above you can see how my cousin and I have been grouped within the MacDougall DNA chart.</p>
<p>Below is how we are placed on the Douglas(s) DNA chart. We're the Phineas group in orange:</p>
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<p>I can also confirm that I am R-M512, which is the same as the Drumalanrig line...</p>
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<p>...but a deeper analysis has shown that we are MacDougalls and not Douglasses. I'm afraid you'd have to ask someone that knows far more about this than I do.</p>