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A group for those who are using dna to trace their ancestors. The intention is NOT to replace the existing dna group, but to facilitate discussions amongst those who are not part of that group.

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Latest Activity: Aug 31, 2022

The Yahoo group is for members of the Douglas DNA study project, and those interested in this project. They are trying to link our modern Douglas families with our "Old Douglas" lines by using yDNA tests.
The group currently has around 120 members, and has made some significant advances.

Further details about the use of dna in tracing ancestors can be found within the pages of the Douglas Archives...more>>>

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Comment by William Douglas on August 31, 2022 at 19:36

Robert William Glode Douglas DNA Project

Can anyone help with the Robert William Glode Douglas DNA Project?

The project is no longer listed on Yahoo, its former home.

Does it still exist?

Files can still be found in the Douglas Archives if you are studying this family:

Comment by Edward Fenner Douglass III on August 9, 2022 at 16:42

I have done a Big-Y test, about a year ago or more.  I am descended from the other son of William Douglas than Duncan.  Somebody wrote that this would be helpful.

I am recovering from COVID at the moment and not firing on all 8 cylinders.  Let me know, specifically, what I need to do to give you access to my test results if access is needed.

Ed Douglass

FTDNA kit no. 78820 (going from memory.  Dangerous!)

Comment by Bruce Stewart Morton on August 4, 2022 at 19:02

My aim is to prove kinship with the Douglas line(s).

Over the years I have used FTDNA for Y-DNA, mtDNA and Autosomal tests. My last test was Big-Y which has taken me to R-B123 which appears to be out on a limb on its own!

FTDNA have the largest database of Y-DNA results. Not cheap, but worth it if you want to delve into your male line.

I don't regard Autosomal testing that much since with a test and a surname you might get back 4-5 generations.

Comment by Robert Davic on August 4, 2022 at 16:33

I am looking for help how best to determine if modern-day males with the surname Kidston are closely related to the Clan Douglas linage using Y-DNA markers.     

My wife, Elizabeth, is a Kidston and her father can trace his Scottish family surname back in time to a family of Kidston that originated in the parish of Logie in the early 1500s. The original Kidston family graves are located at the old Logie Kirk graveyard, rather amazing to view the grave of an 11th great grandfather.  

There is a suggestion by a Kidston family historian that this ancient Kidston family has origin from a young Douglas male who lived near Logie in early 1500s. The suggestion being that he was starting a family and took the long inactive surname Kidston (lost to birth and death records in Scotland for ~260 years) to hide their Douglas identify, after the 8th Earl of Douglas was killed at Stirling Castle in 1451, which led to some Douglas family members being arrested during the 1451 to 1500 time period.  

If this story has any truth to it, modern day Kidston males should be genetically very similar to Douglas males using Y-DNA test methods, more so than with males of other Scottish surnames.  

My question is, what would be the best Y-DNA genetic test to use to determine a possible close genetic link between modern-day males of the Kidston and Douglas families?  Would it be required that the newer Big Y-DNA test be used, or would the methods using 111 Y-STR loci be sufficient?  We are aware of a few Kidston males that could be tested and want to direct them toward the appropriate Y-DNA test to use.  

Any advice greatly appreciated.  


Comment by William Douglas on May 9, 2020 at 9:42

I have uploaded files relevant to the BigY test, and to William Douglas, b1610 in the Douglas DNA section of the Archives. See here>>> and look for items 41 and 42.

Comment by William Douglas on March 3, 2020 at 20:29
An interesting article by Ky White, one of the leading ancestral chart makers, outlines Viking origins in Britain. Many of us seem to have Viking DNA. Maybe this explains it?
Comment by William Douglas on December 17, 2019 at 21:26

The Douglas and variants DNA project and The Robert William Glode Douglas DNA project have for many years been active in Yahoo Groups.
However, Yahoo has now closed its file hosting service, and so a rescue operation was mounted to download all the files, and save them.
A new file hosting service is now available within the Douglas Archives for these two groups. Much work has still to be done as the downloaded files came without the explanatory links and, in many cases, the files are un-named.
All Yahoo users are requested to review their files and let me know of any details that will make them useful. If anyone can recognise any of the photographs and put names to them, please get in touch.
Not all sections are complete so updating will continue into the New Year. 

Comment by William Douglas on September 2, 2019 at 20:49

Scotland’s genetic landscape echoes Dark Age populations - first comprehensive genetic map

Comment by William Douglas on August 26, 2019 at 11:38

Did you know...

That if you post your haplogoup in the search box, you will find others who match yours?

And you can get networking!


Comment by Gilbert Franklin Douglas III on July 8, 2019 at 22:59

FYI on 31 Dec 2018, I did a cheek swab of my father's first cousin, Dan E. Douglas (he died a couple months later!!!)

His is also RM198, just like mine...

Gilbert Douglas III


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Making conections

The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?

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