A Chapman

Stoke on Trent

United Kingdom

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Which Douglas line are you researching? Dates and places help making connections.
My interest is in how TWIDALE passed into the DRYSDALE name. I have Thomas Twidale Drysdale b1816 son of Robert Drysdale and his wife Elizabeth Ruth Watkins. Elizabeth's first husband was Thomas Twidale. This first marriage in 1811 was in Portsmouth but my question is where was Thomas from? Thomas has variations of his surname viz a viz Twidle/Twydle/Twedle. Other variations appear in later records of his descendants. If you are able to help that would be most appreciated
Who is your earliest known Douglas ancestor?
Robert Drysdale m 1815 to Elizabeth Ruth Watkins
Tags/keywords - used to help people find you
Twidale/Twidle/Twydle/Tweedle/Teesdale/Turdle/Twiddle

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  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Welcome Amanda !   

     https://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/DianaDavies

    Apr 17, 2024

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Welcome to the Douglas Archives!

    Regarding your search:

    I've looked on the Familysearch website and there seem to be a quite lot of Thomas Twidles and multiple variations spread around the UK.

    However I did notice that Elizabeth Ruth Watkins married one Thomas Towle (misspelling) in Portsmouth on 9th June 1811:

     

    Name Thomas Towle
    Residence Place Portsmouth
    Marital Status Single
    Occupation Mariner
    Religion Anglican
    Spouse's Name Elizabeth Ruth Walkins
    Spouse's Residence Place Portsmouth
    Event Type Marriage
    Event Date 9 June 1811
    Event Place Portsmouth, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
    Record Type Marriages
    Page Number 219
    Reference CHU 2/1C/7
    Affiliate Name Portsmouth History Centre

    So it would seem that he was a Mariner (seaman) & probably in the Royal Navy due to the Portsmouth location.

    Being in the Royal Navy he could have come from anywhere in the UK.

    I also found a Royal Navy pension granted to one Thomas Tweedle who was in Hospital in 1814:

    Name Thomas Tweedle
    Event Type Pension
    Event Date 1814
    Event Place England, United Kingdom
    Source Description Greenwich Hospital out-pensioners 1814-1846
    Reference ADM 22/260
    Series Name Pay Book of Naval Out-pensions. R-Z
    Series Number ADM 22
    Affiliate Name The National Arc

    Apr 17, 2024

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Hi again,

    I think that the pension record I posted previously may not be the clue you are looking for as it would seem that this particular Tweedle, was 53 years old in 1811, had rheumatism, had retired from HMS Fame with a full life pension of £14 per annum and was still receiving his pension in 1843.

    Anyway good luck with your research!

    Regards

    Apr 19, 2024

  • Diana Davies

    Loads to tell/ask you but am not familiar with this page.  Shall I write it here or under Send Message at top left of page.

    BTW are Angela and Amanda the same person?

    Think I gave Russell lots of my DRYSDALE info circa 2013.

    BW Diana-in-Canada.

    Apr 21, 2024

  • Diana Davies

    Hope I am OK for Copyright here.  Don't want to break any rules!Diana's NEW FIND  18 AUGUST 2014

    Thomas Twidle DRYSDALE

    Admitted to Greenwich Hospital School, 29 Sept 1827

    On Monday 24th November 2014 I received a package from The National Archives in UK.  From this I have learned the following:My 2xGreat grandfather, Thomas Twidle DRYSDALE was accepted into the Upper School of The Royal Naval Asylum, Greenwich 29th September1827.  He was 11 years of age.To qualify for admission to the Upper School - Consisting of 200 [pupils] The boys had to be the sons of seamen who had served  in the navy or Merchant service or marines who had served in one of His Majesty’s ships.They were the children of seafaring men who were in dire straits.  Perhaps the mother of the chold had died, or perhaps the mother was the widow of a seaman and who had many young mouths to feed and she couldn’t make ends meet.  Children whose fathers were away at sea and the mother had died etc.They HAD to be 11 years of age and under 12; able to read a chapter in the Bible and be without impediment of speech or any infirmity of body or mind. If the father had served in the Navy, the certificate of servitude had to be obtained from the Navy office.  If in the Merchant’s service the certificate had to be signed by the Collector of the sixpenny duty at the port from which the father usually sailed, stating that the said duty had been paid by him.  At the time of admission two respectable housekeepers had to be jointly bound in the sum of £50  to ensure that the boy would not abscond from school nor embezzle any of the clothes, books or instruments committed to his care and that at the end of three years he would be bound as an apprentice for seven years to the sea service.It had to be noted that it would be useless for any Candidate for the Upper School to apply until he had obtained a presentation from one of trhe Directors.There was a lower school as well where both girls and boys were accepted from ages 9-14.  The following certificates had to be produced in all cases.

    A certificate of the child being a real Object of Charity

    A certificate of [the parents] marriage

    A certificate of birth as well as baptism

    A certificate of the father’s servitude 

    A certificate of the death of the father. The records confirm that the parents of Thomas Twidle DRYSDALE were Robert and Elizabeth Ruth DRYSDALE and that they were married in Portsmouth on 24 May  1815.  Elizabeth Ruth was living in Portsmouth and maintaining 2 children.  I didn’t know that Thomas had a sibling before.  Thomas’ father, Robert, was a member of the crew of the ship Ariel out of Hull.  This shows Elizabeth Ruth DRYSDALE as the daughter of William WATKINS which I don’t understand as her name was TWIDLE when she married.  [2024 now I know!]Thomas Twidle DRYSDALE was nominated by Lord Bealey.

    TO BE CONT.

    Apr 21, 2024