Hi Susanne,

I read the pdf, quite interesting reading and then I checked out the Douglases in Monaghan. They  first took up tenancies there, on what became Lord or Baron Rossmore's estates, towards the end of the 1600s and were still living there in the mid 1860s. I don't know the situation today but in the mid 1800s there were definitely quite a lot of Douglas families living in Monaghan - see images below. 

I also tried to find out some additional info on the Douglases in Dublin in the 1850s and found some directory listings that confirmed that there were Johns, James' and one George living in Dublin at the right time, also a Patrick O'Toole. However there was no confirmation of a James in Linen Manufacture. There were a few mentions of a John that was dealing in the linen trade. No business was listed for Patrick O'Toole (the ship broker).

So to conclude, there were obviously a lot of Douglases living in Ireland in the mid 1800s (the clips below are just a small selection from Dublin & Monahaghan areas) but unfortunately most of the people are not linked/identified by surviving Parish records so relationships between the various family goups are very difficult to establish.

I didn't find anything that linked your ancestors to Monaghan, this doesn't mean that they aren't linked, it just means that I didn't find any evidence.

Returning to the father of George - there is a possibilty that the entry for James on the 1851 wedding record was an error and it should have been John. If there were any other documents naming James as the father then that uncertainty & problem area could be closed down - but the other indications curently seem to point to John.

Best regards

Hi Susanne,

Unfortunately your pdf link didn't lead anywhere:   "C:\Users\suepd\OneDrive\Desktop\James douglas murder - Copy.pdf" hope this is readable"

Some final documents on Douglas & county Monaghan for info only:

1667 deed Douglas in Monaghan

1738 Oliver Douglas Rector of Monaghan Son of John Douglas gen. - C...

1739 Oliver Douglas Rector of Monaghan

Baron Rossmore Monaghan 1858 2 of 2 - sale of lands held since 1697...

James & John Douglas land records Muckno, Tullyvanyh, Monaghan ...

Best regards

Hi Susanne,

try these links:

https://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/downloads/Mavis_Book/36%20...

https://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Businesses/douglas&gre...

https://www.dib.ie/biography/douglas-james-green-a2723

https://douglashistory.ning.com/group/douglasfamiliesinireland/foru...

https://douglashistory.ning.com/group/douglasfamiliesinireland/foru...

If it's Jennifer herself that you want to talk to - why not leave a comment on her page:

https://douglashistory.ning.com/profile/JenniferDouglas

Best regards