Drysdale - a Douglas sept

Drysdale is considered a sept of the Douglas clan, but it is quite likely that this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name. A sept is a family that can be related to a clan or larger family for various reasons. Usually this came about either through marriage or by a small family seeking protection from a larger and more powerful neighbour.

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  • William Douglas

    James Drysdale was once the Provost of Bridge of Allan
    https://holeousia.com/time-passes-listen/bridge-of-allan/105-hender...

    Do we know any more about him?

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/8526/85268199.23.pdf


    source: https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/8526/85268199.23.pdf

    William Drysdale. Old faces, old places and old stories of Stirling               -LIST OF SUBSCRIBERS. 
    Drysdale, Ex-Provost James, Bridge of Allan

    source:http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/william-drysdale/old-faces-ol...

    Fountain of Nineveh (1851; fig 11) gifted by Major Henderson of Westerton
    to celebrate recent Babylonian excavations; heron added by James Drysdale,
    Chief Magistrate in 1895

    source: https://my.stirling.gov.uk/media/3716/bridge-of-allan-ca-app.pdf

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • William Douglas

     Agnes Begbie Drysdale is the daughter of William Drysdale. She married Maj.-Gen. Robert Hutchison, 1st and last Baron Hutchison of Montrose, son of Alexander Hutchison, on 26 April 1905.
         From 26 April 1905, her married name became Hutchison.1 After her marriage, Agnes Begbie Drysdale was styled as Baroness Hutchison of Montrose on 30 June 1932.

    I am guessing that Agnes is the daughter of Georgina Begbie and William Drysdale (1838-1902), himself the son of John Drysdale of Kilrie.  Elsewhere, she is described as an only daughter, and William and Georgina had only one daughter (and three sons)

    Any opinions?

  • William Douglas

    drysdaleA Drysdale family in Batavia. 

    from left to right: 
    Dee Drysdale (background with glasses, great aunt of mine)), Thomas Drysdale (foreground in chair, great-grandfather), Rob Drysdale (uncle, boy in background next to aunt Dee), Peter Drysdale (uncle, next to Rob), Ben Drysdale (great uncle, in chair), Suze Drysdale-Turpijn (great-grandmother), Jane Mary Drysdale (my mother), unknown to me (with glasses .. who knows it may say) 
    This photo was taken in Batavia, near the Theresiakerk / Theresiakerkweg ... as far as I know. I don't know any professions, only that my grandfather Thomas Cochrane Drysdale (not on photo) worked at the Government House Service (and sergeant at the KNIL) and died on / at the Burma railway in 1943. 
    Greetings, Ben Franken

  • William Douglas

    Searched high and low - and then found the link with James Cuniston, Sheriff-Clerk of Lanarkshire in my own library!  From the 'Lost Mansions of Lanarkshire', by Dan Sweeney

    Jerviston.pdf

  • William Douglas

    The Drysdale/Wharrie connection
    https://historic-hamilton.co.uk/tag/major-james-drysdale/ 

    Major James Drysdale is the son of William Drysdale of Pitteuchar and Anne Cunison, daughter of the Sheriff-Clerk of Hamilton

  • William Douglas

    On a visit to Cambuskenneth, a ruined Augustinian monastery located on an area of land enclosed by a meander of the River Forth near Stirling in Scotland, I found a Drysdale grave marker is the small cemetery attached to the abbey. 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    in re : James Drysdale  once Provost of Bridge of Allan , in William Drysdales book Auld Biggins of Sterling there are a few old photos of Bridge of Allen. 

  • William Douglas

    Drysdales in South America

    http://sabrits.co.uk/D.php 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Photos of sign and windmill  courtesy of Francisco Dean, location Argentina  

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Drysdales in South America

    http://www.argbrit.org/Saudades/Saudades.htm

     Ctrl+F search Drysdale 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

     In re  the photo labeled ''A Drysdale family in Batavia'' Ben Franken states ....I don't know any professions... Thomas [Conrad] Drysdale (foreground in chair, great-grandfather)  End of May 1930, upon request, due to physical
    aptitude, with  honor and with claim to retirement from the national service, Th. C. Drijsdale, civil servant on social assistance, most recently
    Clerk at the department Compatibility
    regional office in Jemarang.

    .

  • William Douglas

    New entry on Wikipedia: William Drysdale, cricketer   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

     Very interesting Robert Wang , However , When you run across someone  Douglas or Drysdale who can connect to that document with actual genealogy  please do let me and others know .

  • William Douglas

    Thank you, Robert.

    I would be very happy if you were to take forward the proposed DNA project.

    William

  • William Douglas

    Grade A pipers with their trophies awarded by Norman Maclean in 2006
    L-R: George Stewart, Norman MacLean, Nathan Drysdale, Glenn Ross.

  • William Douglas

    Colonel Drysdale of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders had his portrait painted by Hermann Schmiechen (1855–1895).
    It hangs in Dumbarton Castle, not a million miles from where I live.
    I will try to visit when that is allowed to find out more.

  • William Douglas

    The Admiralty yesterday [August 1950] issued the following statement:

    "A small Royal Marine Commando Unit under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel D.B. Drysdale, R.M., is being formed for very early dispatch by air to the Far East for service in Korea. This is in addition to the Royal Marine Commando Brigade in Malaya, which
    will continue operations. For reasons of operational security, it is not desirable to publicise the size and composition, or the times of departure and arrival of this unit."

    Lieutenant-Colonel Drysdale, M.B.E., R.M., who is 33, joined the
    battle cruiser Renown at the outbreak of war and subsequently served
    as a Captain with 101 R.M. Brigade. In 1943 he was appointed
    Brigade Major to the Third Commando Brigade in Burma. Two years
    later he was appointed to the command of 44 Commando. Promoted
    Major in December, 1949, he became chief instructor at the R.M.
    Officers' School at Plymouth last January.

    © The Times, 22nd August 1950

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • William Douglas

  • Ronald Drysdale

    It is possible to find quite a few early Drysdales in the Exchequer Rolls of Scotland in the period 1480-1513, this was first pointed out in the 1989 edition of the Clan Douglas Association of Australia Newsletter in a very good article by Neil M D Ewins.

    The Exchequer rolls are available for download on the Internet Archive website and I've extracted the data I've found there:

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1480-1487 Vol 9

    Drummy  (Drumme)  in  Tullicultre  let  to John  Drisdale  and  others,  569,  601 

    Drysdale  (Drisdale,  Dryisdale),  Andrew, tenant  of  Hervyisdawac,  569,  602,  635.

    Drysdale Janet,  tenant  of  Coschnachtan  and  Hervyisdawak,  569  ; of  Eliotisdawac, dead,  602.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Maurice,  tenant  of Drummy,  569,  601

    Drysdale,  John,  junior,  tenant  of  Drummy, 569,  601.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Schanach,  635.

    Drysdale Margaret,  tenant  of  Schanach,  635.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Eliotisdawac,  569,602,  635

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland 1488-1496 Vol 10

    Drivisdale  (c/.  Drysdale),  mill  of,  let  to William  Bell  of  Aikin,  655.

    Tillicoultry

    Drysdale,  Andrew,  his  widow  tenant  of Hervisdawak,  668;  died,  733.

    Drysdale David,  tenant  of  Coschnachtain,  668, 733.

    Drysdale Isabel,  widow  of  John  Proudy, tenant  of  Hervisdawak,  733.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy  and  Schan-nach,  668,  733,  758.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Andrew,  tenant  of Hervisdawak,  733.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Robert,  tenant  of Ellokisdawak  with  his  father,  668,  733, 758.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Ellokisdawak  with John  his  son,  668,  773,  758.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Drummy  and Schannach,  668,  733,  758.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland 1497-1501 vol 11

    Dryisdale,  Cuthbert,  tenant  of  Coischnach- tane,  411.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy,  411;  of Hervyisdawak,  412.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Elokisdawak,  412.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drumniy,  411.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1502-1507  Vol 12

    Dryisdale  (Drisdale),  Cuthbert,  tenant  of Cosnauchtane,  639,  681.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Robert,  tenant  of Ellokkis  Dawok,  639;  do., 

    in  place  of  his late  father,  681;  tenant  of  Herwisdawik and  Drummy,  639,  681.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Ellokkis  Dawok, dead,  639.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drummy,  639,681.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1508-1513  Vol 13

    Dryisdale,  Cuthbert,  tenant  of  Coschnauch- tane,  641.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy,  641  ; of Ellokis  Dawok,  641;  of  Herwist  Dawok, 641.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drummy,  641.

       

  • William Douglas

    The CDAA newsletters about the Drysdale family can be found here:

    http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/CDAA&CDSA/CDAA_newslett... 

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Mary Queen of Scots first visited Lochleven Castle in 1561 as a guest of its owner, Sir William Douglas. Her last stay, in 1567–8, was as his prisoner.

    A link between John Drysdale & Sir William Douglas of Lochleven, dated 1569, following Mary's imprisonment there, has been been copied from the Exchequer Rolls of Scotland vol 20 1568-1579 and is shown below:

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Two early Drysdales of note:

    Sir Andrew Drysdale , Chaplain, St Margaret's Chapel, Edinburgh Castle, 1559

    Thomas Drysdale Islay Herald at King Charles 1 Coronation 1630

  • Robert Wang

    Hi. In the story of the creation of the Drysdale family, it is said that the 3 brothers took shelter beneath the Ochil Hills. The locations of Alva, Tillicoultry, and Dollar within the county of Clackmannan are situated consecutively from west to east beneath the Ochil Hills. The total number of Drysdales from census data in various locations within the counties of Clackmannan and Fife are described below.

    CENSUS YEAR
    LOCATION 1841 1881 1921
    DUNFERMLINE 187 142 114
    ALVA 116 47 14
    TULLIALLAN 86 42 27
    TILLICOULTRY 65 48 12
    CLACKMANNAN 63 55 4
    ALLOA 52 64 67
    CULROSS 45 8 1
    DOLLAR 36 34 13
    DALGETY BAY 31 9 4
    ST. ANDREWS 1 1 6
    CUPAR 0 9 10
    KIRKCALDY 0 2 14
    TOTAL 682 461 286
  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some references to the name Drysdale in Historical Records, Books etc. 1490-1650

    James Drivissdale Culross

    James Drysdale Lochleven

    Andrew Drysdale, Clackmannanshire

    Achilles Drysdale & David Drysdale of Drymen

    John Drysdale of Tillicoultry

    John Drysdale, Clackmannanshire

    William Drysdale,  Black Barony

    James Drysdaill, Leith, Cowsogall

    James Drysdaill, Alva, Clackmannanshire

  • Ronald Drysdale

    30-5-1555 Charter at Edinburgh - Link between John Drysdale, William Douglas of Lochleven & Mary Queen of Scots.

    Page 1

    Page 2

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some addditional references to Thomas Drysdaill the Islay-Herald, Also Bessie Hunter, Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia & Sir Johne Campbell.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    After an extensive records search for people with the name Drysdale (before the year 1600) I've managed to come up with a fairly comprehensive list of just under one hundred people, mostly in Clackmannanshire and Fife, and, as far as I can tell, these represent the totality of the known Drysdale 'Clan' in that era  - see picture below and attached pdf file:

    and the pdf file:

    Listing%20of%20all%20early%20Drysdales%20pre-1600%20mentioned%20in%...

    Of course there must have been a number of other Drysdales living in Scotland during this period, but as yet, no reference or source material has been found to indicate their existence. 

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Thanks Robert,  

    Referring to your earlier post on Drysdales in Clackmannanshire in the 1841,1881 and 1921 census, I also did a records search on Drysdale births on the 'Scotlandspeople', 'Find my past' and 'Freereg' websites for the period 1600-1650 and this shows the family name very much concentrated in the Clackmannanshire, Edinburgh and Fife regions in Scotland:

    Scotlands People - Births only 1600-1650                  - all Scotland

     

    Freereg + FindmyPast - Births only 1600-1650     - all England

     

    County/City

    County/City

    Aberdeen

    1

    Yorkshire

    4

    Berwick

    7

    Essex

    3

    Clackmannan

    91

    Norfolk

    1

    Dumfries

    2

    London

    5

    Edinburgh Midlothian

    88

    Warwickshire

    1

    Fife

    59

    Durham

    3

    Perth

    8

    Lincolnshire

    1

    256 Births total

    Northumberland

    3

     

    21 Births total

  • William Douglas

    I did a search of the Douglas Archives for:
    Last Name contains Drysdale AND Birth Year less than 1600 AND Tree equals My Genealogy

    and found only five named:
    http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/famgen/search.php?mybool=AND&nr...

    William

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    William , on Douglas Archives my genealogy -a year or so ago I  looked and found none listed prior 1503.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Skirmish at Drumlanrig and the burning of Dryfesdale

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some references to the Lands and Barony of Dryfesdale, in the period 1100 - 1580:

    The Church
    Robert de Brus
    Ingebald
    De Bois
    Crichton
    Patrick Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell
    Carruthers

    Francis Stewart, Earl of Bothwell

    See attached pdf

    The%20Lands%20and%20Barony%20of%20Dryfesdale%20for%20pdf.pdf

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Scottish Heraldry and Thomas Drysdale, the Islay Herald

    Sir David Lyndsay of the Mount (c.1486 – c.1555) was a Scottish knight, poet, and herald who gained the highest heraldic office of Lyon King of Arms.
    In 1542, he produced a Scottish roll of arms known today as the Lindsay of the Mount Roll.


    It contains 400 Scottish coats of arms, some of which were added later in the 16th century, and forms the basis of the official Scots heraldic registry in use today.

    Another copy of the facsimile comprising accurate redrawing of his own drawings was published in Edinburgh in 1878.

    https://electricscotland.com/heraldry/facsimileofancientheraldic.pdf

    Plate 64 shows the arms of Lord Boyis of Dryvisdaill of auld.

    The content of the book and register of arms was approved by the Lords of His Majesty's Privy Council at Holyroodhouse on 9th December 1630. Signed by Sir James Balfour Lyone and Thomas Drysdaill, the Islay Herald

  • Ronald Drysdale

    James Dryisdaill's birth on 4th November 1573 to parents Jhone Dryisdaill & Margaret Duglas at Dunfermline - ScotlandsPeople website

    November 1573
    - The 4 day Jhone Dryisdaill had a man child born to him of his wyf Margaret Duglas baptised and called James.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Douglas of Lochleven & James Drysdale

    Reference  -  A series of Ancient Charters of the Earldom of Morton - The Bannatyne Club

    4 July 1566: Pardon from Henry and Mary Queen of Scots to William Douglas of Lochleven and four others including Jacobus [James] Drysdaill for their earlier support for the Earl of Morton

    Source plus transcription also attached as pdf

    The%20Bannatyne%20club%20%20-%20A%20SERIES%20OF%20Ancient%20CHARTER...

  • Ronald Drysdale

    James Drysdale, the trusted servant of William Douglas of Lochlevin, had a family

    It would appear that James Drysdale, who was singled out for harsh words in a letter by Mary Queen of Scots in 1568/9 for saying he would like to put a sword to her heart, had a life outside Lochleven Castle.

    The 18-4-1565 birth record of one Kirsten Drysdeill states:

    "The 18th day James Drysdeill had a woman chyld born in fornication of Margaret Donaldson alias Whyt Wyndo baptizit and callit Kirsten." - Lochlevin in margin.

    So he was a bit of a rascal in his private life also!

    A copy of the Scotlandspeople image of this record is copied below:

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Old road above Bridge of Allan , now a footpath.

                                                    

  • Robert Wang

    Excellent photo Russell Lynn!

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Old boys network


    Ref: Roll of Canongate Burgesses – Edinburgh - 1622 to 1733

    William Drysdale was entered onto the Roll of Canongate Burgesses on 7th August 1673 at the request of Lieut Joseph Douglas, who was himself entered on the Roll on 27th May 1669

  • William Douglas

    Kelly's Handbook; 1957

  • William Douglas

  • William Douglas

    Some light reading, perhaps?

    “Madam,” said old Dryfesdale the steward, “this much do I say for this silly page, that he could not be accessary to unlocking the doors, since I myself this night bolted him out of the castle. Whoever limned this night-piece, the lad's share in it seems to have been small.”

    “Thou liest, Dryfesdale,” said the Lady, “and wouldst throw the blame on thy master's house, to save the worthless life of a gipsy boy.”

    Extract from 'The Abbot', by Sir Walter Scott

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some further light reading about (Jasper Dryfesdale) James Drysdale & Mary Queen of Scots:

    While Scott's 'The Abbott' was supposed to be a work of fiction (but based on historical fact) Henry Glassford Bell's account of James Drysdale in the 'Life of Mary Queen of Scots, Volume 2, published around the same time as The Abbott, was allegedly factual but appears to have been a highly opinionated & slightly malicious hit job (based on the paucity of evidence at his disposal)

    .....Margaret Erskine, the Lady of Loch-Leven, and widow of Sir Robert Douglas, who fell at the battle of Pinkie one-and-twenty years before, was a woman of a proud temper and austere disposition. Soured by early disappointment, for, previous to her marriage with Sir Robert, she had been one of the rejected mistresses of James V., she chose to indulge her more malignant nature in continually exalting her illegitimate offspring the Earl of Murray above his lawful Queen, now her prisoner.
    Her servants, of course, took their tone from their mistress; and there was one in particular, named James Drysdale, who held a place of some authority in her household, and who, having had some concern in the murder of Rizzio, and being a bigoted and unprincipled fanatic, entertained the most deadly hatred against Mary, and had been heard to declare, that it would give him pleasure to plunge a dagger into her heart’s blood. This savage probably succeeded in spreading similar sentiments among the other domestics; and thus the Queen’s very life seemed to hang upon the prejudices and caprices of menials........

  • William Douglas

    I dont recall seeing this before...
    But probably have!
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127413994/william-drysdale 

    I have sugested an edit in that if he was 62 at date of death he could not have been born in 1776

  • William Douglas

    Drysdale war casualties

    CasualtySearch_12_08_2024_05.csv