Drysdale - a Douglas sept

Drysdale is considered a sept of the Douglas clan, but it is quite likely that this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name. A sept is a family that can be related to a clan or larger family for various reasons. Usually this came about either through marriage or by a small family seeking protection from a larger and more powerful neighbour.

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  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name, I find that acceptable , however , 

    STORY OF THE CREATION OF THE DRYSDALE FAMILY

    The following is said to tell the story of the creation of the Drysdale family, it was actually part of the Black Douglas clan which remained in Scotland, following their failed attempt against the Scots crown in 1455. [Earlier references to Drysdale, or Dryfesdale can be found]

     this needs work

    DRYSDALE FAMILY

    Drysdale was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name , this is their story

     

  • William Douglas

    From the Telegraph of 19 February 2015: DOCKAR-DRYSDALE Charles Died at home on February the 14th after a long battle bravely fought with cancer.Adored and adoring husband of Susie,father of Adam, William and Emma and grandpa to eight very special grand children. Service at Cherington and Stourton village church at 12.30 on Tuesday the 3rd of March. Flowers welcome. Enquiries: Funeral directors R Locke and Son.

    I take this to be Charles Nicholas Gordon Lloyd DOCKAR-DRYSDALE (b 1943), scion of the gentry family of that name of Wick Hall.

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    A QUEER LIFE ENDED.
    William Drysdale, a Well Known Shoe maker, Dies by Shooting Three
    Bullets Into His Body.
    ln a back yard, just behind his shop, a few minutes before 8 o'clock yesterday evening, William Drysdale, a well known Shoemaker of Taylor,
    committed suicide by shooting himself three times in the left breast. The
    deed was (lone with a small caliber weapon, and although two of the bullets went through his heart, the other one taking effect went an inch below, the unfortunate man lived a half hour, but did not recover consciousness.  He was removed to the station; house on Pine street and Dr. Honser was summoned Drysdale was beyond medical aid and expired without uttering a word .

    Drysdale, in his gloomy moods, often said tie would end his life. He boarded with Thomas R. Nicholas, on Main street, where his remains were finally taken. He had been drinking heavily for the past two weeks. While at his shop Saturday morning shots were heard in that vicinity. Drysdale was found behind the shop In a greatly excited condition, and he shouted that his enemies were after him and meant
    to take bis life. The revolver was taken from him.
    Robert Moore met Drysdale after he left the Davis' drug store last evening and did not suspect that be was bent on self-destruction. When Mr. Moore parted with him Drysdale went to his shop and in a few minutes afterward three pistol shots rung out. He had gone to a coal house in the rear, leaned against the side of it and ended bis
    life.
    About eight months ago he was waylaid at night by an unknown assailant and terribly beaten with a blackjack. Since then, whenever he gave himself up to drink, his actions have been queer. The act which ended his life yesterday was not unexpected.
         As far as is known be had not a relative in this country. His parents were Scotch, and he was about 36 years of age. Seven years ago ho took up his Residence in Taylor and did a thriving business at his trade. One laudable trait was his fondness for little children.
       He was troubled with melancholy,and the only cure he resorted to for
    this morbid feeling was the liquor habit. Although uneducated his mind
    was a storehouse of historical events,and he was skilled with a, talent for
    mimicry that he often used for the amusement of his companions.

    The Scranton tribune., September 17, 1894 ,  Scranton, Pennsylvania

    So if this is correct his birth year would be in the area of 1858 +/- 1

      Any one missing a long lost uncle William , a shoe maker on their tree ? 

  • William Douglas

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE. Promotions.- Acting Lieutenant- Commanders Arthur John Boyes, Clifford McDonald Sullivan, Gustaf Theodore Purees Lenz, Clarence Askew Byrne, D.S.C'., James Bernard Campbell and Frank Sydney Burnet Appleton, D.S.C., are promoted to the rank of Lieutenant- Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Lieutenants John Darcy Shelley, James Benison Griffin, D..S.C., Kenneth Stuart Sutherland, Cecil William Wallach, D.S.C., William Da,rriwill Wright, Colin Philip Dickeson, D.S.C., Henry Charles John Lockyer, Graham Scholefield Mann, D.S.C., Hugh George Thom, Elford Bartlett Hopkins, Sandford Saul Nevile, Robert Haxton Grant, John Colin Patrick Boyle, Arthur Roy Pearson and Lindsay Brownfield Brand are promoted to the rank of Liei :tenant- Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Engineer Lieutenant Thomas Wailes Robbins is promoted to the rank of Engineer Lieutenant Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Acting Lieutenant Commander (Special Branch) Percy Harold Baile is promoted to the rank of Lieutenant- Commander (Special Branch), dated 31st December, 1949. Lieutenants (Special Branch) Lea Roy Wright. Maxwell Vernon Joy, George William Lilley, Alfred William Thomas Solomon, William Drysdale and Roy Atlee Bowra are promoted to the rank of Lieutenant -Commander                                       ( Special Branch). dated 31st December, 1949.-(Ex. Min. No. 25- Approved 11th March, 1950.) JOS. FRANCIS, Minister for the Navy.

  • William Douglas

    Above from: The County Families of the United Kingdom 1869

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    [#1.] William's (1717-1757) son, [#2.] William Drysdale (1745-1825), was also Town Clerk of Kirkcaldy, and acquired the estate of Pitteuchar, in Kinglassie parish, in the early 1800s.

    He was succeeded there by his son,[#3.] Sir William Drysdale (1781-1843), Writer to the Signet, who was knighted while City Treasurer of Edinburgh, 1841-1843.

  • William Douglas

    James Drysdale was once the Provost of Bridge of Allan
    https://holeousia.com/time-passes-listen/bridge-of-allan/105-hender...

    Do we know any more about him?

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/8526/85268199.23.pdf


    source: https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/8526/85268199.23.pdf

    William Drysdale. Old faces, old places and old stories of Stirling               -LIST OF SUBSCRIBERS. 
    Drysdale, Ex-Provost James, Bridge of Allan

    source:http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/william-drysdale/old-faces-ol...

    Fountain of Nineveh (1851; fig 11) gifted by Major Henderson of Westerton
    to celebrate recent Babylonian excavations; heron added by James Drysdale,
    Chief Magistrate in 1895

    source: https://my.stirling.gov.uk/media/3716/bridge-of-allan-ca-app.pdf

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • William Douglas

     Agnes Begbie Drysdale is the daughter of William Drysdale. She married Maj.-Gen. Robert Hutchison, 1st and last Baron Hutchison of Montrose, son of Alexander Hutchison, on 26 April 1905.
         From 26 April 1905, her married name became Hutchison.1 After her marriage, Agnes Begbie Drysdale was styled as Baroness Hutchison of Montrose on 30 June 1932.

    I am guessing that Agnes is the daughter of Georgina Begbie and William Drysdale (1838-1902), himself the son of John Drysdale of Kilrie.  Elsewhere, she is described as an only daughter, and William and Georgina had only one daughter (and three sons)

    Any opinions?

  • William Douglas

    drysdaleA Drysdale family in Batavia. 

    from left to right: 
    Dee Drysdale (background with glasses, great aunt of mine)), Thomas Drysdale (foreground in chair, great-grandfather), Rob Drysdale (uncle, boy in background next to aunt Dee), Peter Drysdale (uncle, next to Rob), Ben Drysdale (great uncle, in chair), Suze Drysdale-Turpijn (great-grandmother), Jane Mary Drysdale (my mother), unknown to me (with glasses .. who knows it may say) 
    This photo was taken in Batavia, near the Theresiakerk / Theresiakerkweg ... as far as I know. I don't know any professions, only that my grandfather Thomas Cochrane Drysdale (not on photo) worked at the Government House Service (and sergeant at the KNIL) and died on / at the Burma railway in 1943. 
    Greetings, Ben Franken

  • William Douglas

    Searched high and low - and then found the link with James Cuniston, Sheriff-Clerk of Lanarkshire in my own library!  From the 'Lost Mansions of Lanarkshire', by Dan Sweeney

    Jerviston.pdf

  • William Douglas

    The Drysdale/Wharrie connection
    https://historic-hamilton.co.uk/tag/major-james-drysdale/ 

    Major James Drysdale is the son of William Drysdale of Pitteuchar and Anne Cunison, daughter of the Sheriff-Clerk of Hamilton

  • William Douglas

    On a visit to Cambuskenneth, a ruined Augustinian monastery located on an area of land enclosed by a meander of the River Forth near Stirling in Scotland, I found a Drysdale grave marker is the small cemetery attached to the abbey. 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    in re : James Drysdale  once Provost of Bridge of Allan , in William Drysdales book Auld Biggins of Sterling there are a few old photos of Bridge of Allen. 

  • William Douglas

    Drysdales in South America

    http://sabrits.co.uk/D.php 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Photos of sign and windmill  courtesy of Francisco Dean, location Argentina  

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Drysdales in South America

    http://www.argbrit.org/Saudades/Saudades.htm

     Ctrl+F search Drysdale 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

     In re  the photo labeled ''A Drysdale family in Batavia'' Ben Franken states ....I don't know any professions... Thomas [Conrad] Drysdale (foreground in chair, great-grandfather)  End of May 1930, upon request, due to physical
    aptitude, with  honor and with claim to retirement from the national service, Th. C. Drijsdale, civil servant on social assistance, most recently
    Clerk at the department Compatibility
    regional office in Jemarang.

    .

  • William Douglas

    New entry on Wikipedia: William Drysdale, cricketer   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Drysdale

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

     Very interesting Robert Wang , However , When you run across someone  Douglas or Drysdale who can connect to that document with actual genealogy  please do let me and others know .

  • William Douglas

    Thank you, Robert.

    I would be very happy if you were to take forward the proposed DNA project.

    William

  • William Douglas

    Grade A pipers with their trophies awarded by Norman Maclean in 2006
    L-R: George Stewart, Norman MacLean, Nathan Drysdale, Glenn Ross.

  • William Douglas

    Colonel Drysdale of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders had his portrait painted by Hermann Schmiechen (1855–1895).
    It hangs in Dumbarton Castle, not a million miles from where I live.
    I will try to visit when that is allowed to find out more.

  • William Douglas

    The Admiralty yesterday [August 1950] issued the following statement:

    "A small Royal Marine Commando Unit under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel D.B. Drysdale, R.M., is being formed for very early dispatch by air to the Far East for service in Korea. This is in addition to the Royal Marine Commando Brigade in Malaya, which
    will continue operations. For reasons of operational security, it is not desirable to publicise the size and composition, or the times of departure and arrival of this unit."

    Lieutenant-Colonel Drysdale, M.B.E., R.M., who is 33, joined the
    battle cruiser Renown at the outbreak of war and subsequently served
    as a Captain with 101 R.M. Brigade. In 1943 he was appointed
    Brigade Major to the Third Commando Brigade in Burma. Two years
    later he was appointed to the command of 44 Commando. Promoted
    Major in December, 1949, he became chief instructor at the R.M.
    Officers' School at Plymouth last January.

    © The Times, 22nd August 1950

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

  • William Douglas

  • Ronald Drysdale

    It is possible to find quite a few early Drysdales in the Exchequer Rolls of Scotland in the period 1480-1513, this was first pointed out in the 1989 edition of the Clan Douglas Association of Australia Newsletter in a very good article by Neil M D Ewins.

    The Exchequer rolls are available for download on the Internet Archive website and I've extracted the data I've found there:

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1480-1487 Vol 9

    Drummy  (Drumme)  in  Tullicultre  let  to John  Drisdale  and  others,  569,  601 

    Drysdale  (Drisdale,  Dryisdale),  Andrew, tenant  of  Hervyisdawac,  569,  602,  635.

    Drysdale Janet,  tenant  of  Coschnachtan  and  Hervyisdawak,  569  ; of  Eliotisdawac, dead,  602.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Maurice,  tenant  of Drummy,  569,  601

    Drysdale,  John,  junior,  tenant  of  Drummy, 569,  601.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Schanach,  635.

    Drysdale Margaret,  tenant  of  Schanach,  635.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Eliotisdawac,  569,602,  635

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland 1488-1496 Vol 10

    Drivisdale  (c/.  Drysdale),  mill  of,  let  to William  Bell  of  Aikin,  655.

    Tillicoultry

    Drysdale,  Andrew,  his  widow  tenant  of Hervisdawak,  668;  died,  733.

    Drysdale David,  tenant  of  Coschnachtain,  668, 733.

    Drysdale Isabel,  widow  of  John  Proudy, tenant  of  Hervisdawak,  733.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy  and  Schan-nach,  668,  733,  758.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Andrew,  tenant  of Hervisdawak,  733.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Robert,  tenant  of Ellokisdawak  with  his  father,  668,  733, 758.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Ellokisdawak  with John  his  son,  668,  773,  758.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Drummy  and Schannach,  668,  733,  758.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland 1497-1501 vol 11

    Dryisdale,  Cuthbert,  tenant  of  Coischnach- tane,  411.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy,  411;  of Hervyisdawak,  412.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Elokisdawak,  412.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drumniy,  411.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1502-1507  Vol 12

    Dryisdale  (Drisdale),  Cuthbert,  tenant  of Cosnauchtane,  639,  681.

    Drysdale John,  son  of  Robert,  tenant  of Ellokkis  Dawok,  639;  do., 

    in  place  of  his late  father,  681;  tenant  of  Herwisdawik and  Drummy,  639,  681.

    Drysdale Robert,  tenant  of  Ellokkis  Dawok, dead,  639.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drummy,  639,681.

    The Exchequer rolls of Scotland  1508-1513  Vol 13

    Dryisdale,  Cuthbert,  tenant  of  Coschnauch- tane,  641.

    Drysdale John,  tenant  of  Drummy,  641  ; of Ellokis  Dawok,  641;  of  Herwist  Dawok, 641.

    Drysdale Thomas,  tenant  of  Drummy,  641.

       

  • William Douglas

    The CDAA newsletters about the Drysdale family can be found here:

    http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/CDAA&CDSA/CDAA_newslett... 

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Mary Queen of Scots first visited Lochleven Castle in 1561 as a guest of its owner, Sir William Douglas. Her last stay, in 1567–8, was as his prisoner.

    A link between John Drysdale & Sir William Douglas of Lochleven, dated 1569, following Mary's imprisonment there, has been been copied from the Exchequer Rolls of Scotland vol 20 1568-1579 and is shown below:

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Two early Drysdales of note:

    Sir Andrew Drysdale , Chaplain, St Margaret's Chapel, Edinburgh Castle, 1559

    Thomas Drysdale Islay Herald at King Charles 1 Coronation 1630

  • Robert Wang

    Hi. In the story of the creation of the Drysdale family, it is said that the 3 brothers took shelter beneath the Ochil Hills. The locations of Alva, Tillicoultry, and Dollar within the county of Clackmannan are situated consecutively from west to east beneath the Ochil Hills. The total number of Drysdales from census data in various locations within the counties of Clackmannan and Fife are described below.

    CENSUS YEAR
    LOCATION 1841 1881 1921
    DUNFERMLINE 187 142 114
    ALVA 116 47 14
    TULLIALLAN 86 42 27
    TILLICOULTRY 65 48 12
    CLACKMANNAN 63 55 4
    ALLOA 52 64 67
    CULROSS 45 8 1
    DOLLAR 36 34 13
    DALGETY BAY 31 9 4
    ST. ANDREWS 1 1 6
    CUPAR 0 9 10
    KIRKCALDY 0 2 14
    TOTAL 682 461 286
  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some references to the name Drysdale in Historical Records, Books etc. 1490-1650

    James Drivissdale Culross

    James Drysdale Lochleven

    Andrew Drysdale, Clackmannanshire

    Achilles Drysdale & David Drysdale of Drymen

    John Drysdale of Tillicoultry

    John Drysdale, Clackmannanshire

    William Drysdale,  Black Barony

    James Drysdaill, Leith, Cowsogall

    James Drysdaill, Alva, Clackmannanshire

  • Ronald Drysdale

    30-5-1555 Charter at Edinburgh - Link between John Drysdale, William Douglas of Lochleven & Mary Queen of Scots.

    Page 1

    Page 2

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some addditional references to Thomas Drysdaill the Islay-Herald, Also Bessie Hunter, Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia & Sir Johne Campbell.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    After an extensive records search for people with the name Drysdale (before the year 1600) I've managed to come up with a fairly comprehensive list of just under one hundred people, mostly in Clackmannanshire and Fife, and, as far as I can tell, these represent the totality of the known Drysdale 'Clan' in that era  - see picture below and attached pdf file:

    and the pdf file:

    Listing%20of%20all%20early%20Drysdales%20pre-1600%20mentioned%20in%...

    Of course there must have been a number of other Drysdales living in Scotland during this period, but as yet, no reference or source material has been found to indicate their existence. 

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Thanks Robert,  

    Referring to your earlier post on Drysdales in Clackmannanshire in the 1841,1881 and 1921 census, I also did a records search on Drysdale births on the 'Scotlandspeople', 'Find my past' and 'Freereg' websites for the period 1600-1650 and this shows the family name very much concentrated in the Clackmannanshire, Edinburgh and Fife regions in Scotland:

    Scotlands People - Births only 1600-1650                  - all Scotland

     

    Freereg + FindmyPast - Births only 1600-1650     - all England

     

    County/City

    County/City

    Aberdeen

    1

    Yorkshire

    4

    Berwick

    7

    Essex

    3

    Clackmannan

    91

    Norfolk

    1

    Dumfries

    2

    London

    5

    Edinburgh Midlothian

    88

    Warwickshire

    1

    Fife

    59

    Durham

    3

    Perth

    8

    Lincolnshire

    1

    256 Births total

    Northumberland

    3

     

    21 Births total

  • William Douglas

    I did a search of the Douglas Archives for:
    Last Name contains Drysdale AND Birth Year less than 1600 AND Tree equals My Genealogy

    and found only five named:
    http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/famgen/search.php?mybool=AND&nr...

    William

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    William , on Douglas Archives my genealogy -a year or so ago I  looked and found none listed prior 1503.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Skirmish at Drumlanrig and the burning of Dryfesdale

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Some references to the Lands and Barony of Dryfesdale, in the period 1100 - 1580:

    The Church
    Robert de Brus
    Ingebald
    De Bois
    Crichton
    Patrick Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell
    Carruthers

    Francis Stewart, Earl of Bothwell

    See attached pdf

    The%20Lands%20and%20Barony%20of%20Dryfesdale%20for%20pdf.pdf

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Scottish Heraldry and Thomas Drysdale, the Islay Herald

    Sir David Lyndsay of the Mount (c.1486 – c.1555) was a Scottish knight, poet, and herald who gained the highest heraldic office of Lyon King of Arms.
    In 1542, he produced a Scottish roll of arms known today as the Lindsay of the Mount Roll.


    It contains 400 Scottish coats of arms, some of which were added later in the 16th century, and forms the basis of the official Scots heraldic registry in use today.

    Another copy of the facsimile comprising accurate redrawing of his own drawings was published in Edinburgh in 1878.

    https://electricscotland.com/heraldry/facsimileofancientheraldic.pdf

    Plate 64 shows the arms of Lord Boyis of Dryvisdaill of auld.

    The content of the book and register of arms was approved by the Lords of His Majesty's Privy Council at Holyroodhouse on 9th December 1630. Signed by Sir James Balfour Lyone and Thomas Drysdaill, the Islay Herald

  • Ronald Drysdale

    James Dryisdaill's birth on 4th November 1573 to parents Jhone Dryisdaill & Margaret Duglas at Dunfermline - ScotlandsPeople website

    November 1573
    - The 4 day Jhone Dryisdaill had a man child born to him of his wyf Margaret Duglas baptised and called James.

  • Ronald Drysdale

    Douglas of Lochleven & James Drysdale

    Reference  -  A series of Ancient Charters of the Earldom of Morton - The Bannatyne Club

    4 July 1566: Pardon from Henry and Mary Queen of Scots to William Douglas of Lochleven and four others including Jacobus [James] Drysdaill for their earlier support for the Earl of Morton

    Source plus transcription also attached as pdf

    The%20Bannatyne%20club%20%20-%20A%20SERIES%20OF%20Ancient%20CHARTER...

  • Ronald Drysdale

    James Drysdale, the trusted servant of William Douglas of Lochlevin, had a family

    It would appear that James Drysdale, who was singled out for harsh words in a letter by Mary Queen of Scots in 1568/9 for saying he would like to put a sword to her heart, had a life outside Lochleven Castle.

    The 18-4-1565 birth record of one Kirsten Drysdeill states:

    "The 18th day James Drysdeill had a woman chyld born in fornication of Margaret Donaldson alias Whyt Wyndo baptizit and callit Kirsten." - Lochlevin in margin.

    So he was a bit of a rascal in his private life also!

    A copy of the Scotlandspeople image of this record is copied below:

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Old road above Bridge of Allan , now a footpath.

                                                    

  • Robert Wang

    Excellent photo Russell Lynn!