It is widely assumed that Deacon William Douglas was born in Scotland. However, I've never seen any evidence to support this assumption. Has anyone?
There is a project underway to transcribe the church records of the villages of Easton Maudit, Ringstead, and ____________ in Northamptonshire, England. Ringstead is the home of Ann Motley (often spelled Matlat, and other variations) who was William's wife. The preliminary information lists quite a few Douglases in these towns. It is possible that William was born and grew up in this area but, again, I have not seen proof of it in the transcribed records to date.
Robert Green and William have been contemplating two theories about the ancestry of William. I will share the lines of descent if anyone is interested.
I have just found this entry in The genealogy.com forum:
For those of you who are descendants of this couple I recommend you look at the October 1999 issue of The American Genealogist (TAG) for an article by Leslie Mahler about Anne's ancestry in England (mentioned July 15 1999 in this forum). Unfortunately Mr Mahler does not solve the question of where (or when) William Douglas was born but he gives a credible list of the children and where they were born. This is a must read article for any of William and Anne's descendants. It's well written and sourced and should be quite available.
On the subject of Anne's name, her father's will, dated April 6 1612 at Ringstead next Thrapston, gives three different spellings for their surname, Motley, Motly, and Matlat. Anne(or possibly a) is called Matlat. Witnesses were Anthony Goode, Simon Tootull(Tuthill) and Thomas Robinson. Betsey Howes
A rather complete listing of the descendants of William Douglas, 1610, is given in the 1879 genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas. The complete book is available on-line in Google Books. The genealogy of this family, which the author dubs "The New London Family" begins on page 47. Here is a link
There is also an appendix that has a transcription of the deposition by Anne Douglas relative to her inheritance of her father and brother's estate in Northamptonshire. By the way, the deposition was given in 1670 and she says she is 66 years old, which would put her birth in abt 1604 rather than the 1610 often cited.
I, as you know, am a new subscriber to the Douglas Archives, and am just learning my way around. I left a long comment on the "community" section about some other ideas on the origin of the new world immigrant, William Douglas.
As the research begins (or continues), keep in mind that there are three of us (Me - Bruce descended from John 1695 Middleborough MA, William descended from Thomas 1734 of New Fairfield CT and Stephen descended from Major Samuel 1754 of New York) who are closely related to William 1610 of New London through his brother, uncle, great uncle or whatever. The DNA is close enough to be a brother who did not emigrate or likewise an uncle. An John of Middleborough MA came from somewhere near London. Hopefully these facts can aid anyone researching William and Anne.
Ah Ha! I was just looking over Betsey's response noting the witnesses for the will. How about Simon Tuttle born abt 1560 in Ringstead, Northampton married to Isabell Wells, daughter of John Wells, born about 1565 also in Ringstead and died after 1635, He was the son of Richard Tottill born abt 1530 in Woodford, Northampton and died march 11, 1589 in Woodford. He was married Elizabeth. Simon's son John was born abt 1596 and died 12/30/1656 in Carrickfergus Ireland and he was married to Joan Antrobus born abt 1588 in St. Albans, Herfordshire. This is part of my line that descends to the Kennards and Varneys of Windham Maine. Now I don't have a Thomas Robinson but I do have a William Robinson born 1/9/1615 in England and died 7/6/1668 in Dorcester MA married to Margaret Beach born abt 1618 in Kent and died in Dorcester MA. William could be the son of Thomas, Williams' mother was Agnes Street born abt 1593.---everyone seems to be located near each other. The Robinsons are on my mothers side who connect to the Parlin's and then the Bradbury's of Maine. Maybe some of this helps if the signators can be found.
We have worked on the Tuttle's a bit. Simon died in Ringstead, Northants June 15 1630 but his wife and some children came to America and his son John settled in Ipswich, Bay colony in 1635. Apparently John went to Carrickfergus by 1654 to purchase land for colonists who had tired of the New World and d there in 1656. Ipswich is, of course, one of William Douglas' homes when he came from England in 1640. It is tempting to think one reason William settled in Ipswich was because his wife's family friend was there. Some Tuttle children are registered in the earliest Ipswich birth records. I can't tell you anything about the Robinsons, but solid information about the Tuttle's is fairly easy to discover.
Betsey, Regarding the Robinsons, I have the line from William and Margaret Beach but I don't know if Thomas is the father. My line from William is followed by 4 generations of Increase Robinson. It does seem that there are a lot of coincidences.
I've been trying to find a verifiable source for the dob for William Douglas which is usually given as "1610" (based on the Douglas Genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas pub 1879) or more specifically Aug 9 1610. There are some other dates online, but the August 9th date is by far the most used. Where did it come from? The earliest place I have so far found it is in a query by Douglas Merritt published in "Notes and Queries", 1913, Vol 127, p 368. This can be found in a snippet view on Google Books. The journal, which seems to collect queries from other publications and publish them a few times a year, is put out by Oxford Press with William White, editor. I would like to see the whole query hoping that Mr Merritt or the editor gave a source. Can anyone find it? If you have a verifiable source for William's birth as Aug 9 1610, we'd all like to hear about it.
William's daughter, Anne seems to have married three times. One of these was to a William Keeney (various spellings, and not always William).
Researching Douglases (also of various spellings) in Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England, I came across the theory that Anne married Sir Thomas Kinne Baronet of King's Lynn, County Norfolk.
'Sir' Thomas is said to have been knighted by the King in 1618, for "signal services rendered to the English government". He fled to Holland to escape from religious persecution. In 1625, he came to America, just five years after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. However, there is no such baronetcy.
It is also suggested by others that Anne married one of Thomas's children.
Happy New Year! I'm a Spencer but have Wm Douglas (1610) as an ancestor. I just posted a tree diagram derived from the Douglas Y-DNA project. You will know that DNA breaks the direct Scottish parentage for William, but you may be interested that a rough estimate of when we have a common ancestor with another Douglas line (that has DNA data) could go back about 30 generations -- far beyond the 10 generations of his American descendants.
Hi, I am new. I have been looking for information about Elizabeth Douglas born 1677, granddaughter of Deacon William, by his son Robert and Mary Hempstead. The Elizabeth Douglas I am looking for married first Stephen DeWolfe 1679 - 1711, they had two children Gidion and Stephen, she married Henry Howland and indentures her children at the ages of 6 years and 4 years, she then had two more children with Henry Howland, Elizabeth and Sarah. I am looking for any records that would prove or disprove this story. In my search came across this record, could this be the baptism for Deacon William Douglas?
Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data
Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Northamptonshire Place Easton Maudit Church name St Peter and St Paul Register type Unspecified Baptism date 22 Jul 1609 Person forename William Person sex M Father forename William Mother forename Agnes Father surname DUGLEYS Notes Latin entry translated into English Transcribed by Anna Rufer Credit Kay Collins File line number 670
The only husband of Elizabeth Douglas listed in the Douglas Genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas (available on Google Books) is Henry Rowland (not Howland) on page 63. However, another book on the DeWolfe family, "Dolphs and De Wolffs" by Carol Maginnis, in which I found a snippet that suggests that she did indeed marry a DeWolfe before Rowland, should be examined. I can't see the whole entry, but a number of libraries have copies. Email me at wwhough@gmail.com if you can't locate a copy,
The William Dugleys found in the baptismal records of Easton Maudit may very well be our William Douglas. There was a substantial effort about 9 years ago to look for a marriage record between a William and Ann Motley in parishes in Northamptonshire. See the letter from Ed Douglas on this site dated Mar 3, 2012. To my knowledge, none has been found but more and more records are being transcribed. Don't know if anyone has revived that study in the last few years. Ed might also comment on Sherry's posting.
I have Elizabeth Douglas (b. 1677) in my database. The entry is probably based on CHJ Douglas' tome on the Connecticut Douglases. Only one marriage to Henry ROWLAND is shown as William Hough reports. The date of marriage appears to be 25 Nov 1703, possibly in Lyme, CT. She died Aft 14 Jul 1715. I have no other notes about her and if there were any in CHJD, I would have copied and pasted them into my database. No Find-a-Grave information.
I don't have a copy of Carol Maginnis book.
In our search through the Northamptonshire public records, I believe we were looking for Douglases pretty intently. Whether we searched for alternative surname spellings, I am not certain. Betsey Howes would be the best person to ask about this. I will do so.
William Hough is correct: our search failed to find any record of William Douglas, b. abt 1609 in the Northamptonshire public records.
FreeReg a few years back was turning up many Douglases in Northamptonshire and neighboring counties. But not a "William Douglas." Is the FreeReg work continuing? Have they found more Douglases? Were they searching on alternative spellings of "Douglas" besides Dugleys? Betsey Howes was tracking the FreeReg work for us back 10 years ago. I will ask her if she has been continuing to follow this effort.
I will ask Julie Hornung if she is familiar with the Carol Maginnis book or if she can access it.
Sherry, your first post is accurate. Elizabeth Douglass indeed had two husbands and two children by each that you correctly name. The second husband was Henry Roland, not Howland, and I found 11 different spellings of this surname in my search, all beginning with "R". I spent a couple of hours with the Carol Maginnis "de Wolf" book (2 volumes) in the library, and am extremely impressed with her work. She lists a number of sources: vital records, land records, church records, orphan's court records, and probate records for New London, Lyme, and New London County, Connecticut. You could duplicate her work by examining records in courthouses in Connecticut or on microfilm at the LDS Family History Center in Salt Lake City. I am not going to try. A lot of the dates she gives are derived, meaning you can bracket for example a marriage between the last child of one mother to the date of an indenture by the step mother. I might derive a broader window in some cases, but her derivations are all reasonable.
WorldCat lists the libraries that hold the Mcginnis book. Search for the author "Carol Maginnis" and at least one of the results should give you a list with lots of public libraries. Or you can email me at wwhough@gmail.com and I can give you more info on what I found in my search.
William, the first line of the biography and your post should have said Wallace Barton Douglas. I didn't have him but had his father and mother in my database. I now have him. He is indeed a descendant of Deacon William Douglas, born 1610, and his wife Ann Mattle. His line back is Asahel M. (1814), Israel Jr. (1769), Israel (1742), John (1701), William (1666), Robert (1639, William (~1610). I also descend from Israel Jr. in this line. There were a lot of Douglass cousins who went to Leyden, New York around 1800.
Edward Fenner Douglass III
There is a project underway to transcribe the church records of the villages of Easton Maudit, Ringstead, and ____________ in Northamptonshire, England. Ringstead is the home of Ann Motley (often spelled Matlat, and other variations) who was William's wife. The preliminary information lists quite a few Douglases in these towns. It is possible that William was born and grew up in this area but, again, I have not seen proof of it in the transcribed records to date.
Robert Green and William have been contemplating two theories about the ancestry of William. I will share the lines of descent if anyone is interested.
Jun 24, 2009
William Douglas
Can anyone help?
Jul 28, 2009
William Douglas
For those of you who are descendants of this couple I recommend you look at the October 1999 issue of The American Genealogist (TAG) for an article by Leslie Mahler about Anne's ancestry in England (mentioned July 15 1999 in this forum). Unfortunately Mr Mahler does not solve the question of where (or when) William Douglas was born but he gives a credible list of the children and where they were born. This is a must read article for any of William and Anne's descendants. It's well written and sourced and should be quite available.
On the subject of Anne's name, her father's will, dated April 6 1612 at Ringstead next Thrapston, gives three different spellings for their surname, Motley, Motly, and Matlat. Anne(or possibly a) is called Matlat. Witnesses were Anthony Goode, Simon Tootull(Tuthill) and Thomas Robinson.
Betsey Howes
Oct 28, 2009
William W. Hough
A rather complete listing of the descendants of William Douglas, 1610, is given in the 1879 genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas. The complete book is available on-line in Google Books. The genealogy of this family, which the author dubs "The New London Family" begins on page 47. Here is a link
http://books.google.com/books?id=GidKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcov...
There is also an appendix that has a transcription of the deposition by Anne Douglas relative to her inheritance of her father and brother's estate in Northamptonshire. By the way, the deposition was given in 1670 and she says she is 66 years old, which would put her birth in abt 1604 rather than the 1610 often cited.
I, as you know, am a new subscriber to the Douglas Archives, and am just learning my way around. I left a long comment on the "community" section about some other ideas on the origin of the new world immigrant, William Douglas.
Aug 16, 2010
William Douglas
A researcher has been commissioned to attmpt to identify William douglas's background and ancestry. Details here>>>
Jan 8, 2012
Bruce Douglass
As the research begins (or continues), keep in mind that there are three of us (Me - Bruce descended from John 1695 Middleborough MA, William descended from Thomas 1734 of New Fairfield CT and Stephen descended from Major Samuel 1754 of New York) who are closely related to William 1610 of New London through his brother, uncle, great uncle or whatever. The DNA is close enough to be a brother who did not emigrate or likewise an uncle. An John of Middleborough MA came from somewhere near London. Hopefully these facts can aid anyone researching William and Anne.
Jan 9, 2012
Bruce Douglass
Ah Ha! I was just looking over Betsey's response noting the witnesses for the will. How about Simon Tuttle born abt 1560 in Ringstead, Northampton married to Isabell Wells, daughter of John Wells, born about 1565 also in Ringstead and died after 1635, He was the son of Richard Tottill born abt 1530 in Woodford, Northampton and died march 11, 1589 in Woodford. He was married Elizabeth. Simon's son John was born abt 1596 and died 12/30/1656 in Carrickfergus Ireland and he was married to Joan Antrobus born abt 1588 in St. Albans, Herfordshire. This is part of my line that descends to the Kennards and Varneys of Windham Maine. Now I don't have a Thomas Robinson but I do have a William Robinson born 1/9/1615 in England and died 7/6/1668 in Dorcester MA married to Margaret Beach born abt 1618 in Kent and died in Dorcester MA. William could be the son of Thomas, Williams' mother was Agnes Street born abt 1593.---everyone seems to be located near each other. The Robinsons are on my mothers side who connect to the Parlin's and then the Bradbury's of Maine. Maybe some of this helps if the signators can be found.
Jan 9, 2012
Betsey Heath Howes
Bruce
We have worked on the Tuttle's a bit. Simon died in Ringstead, Northants June 15 1630 but his wife and some children came to America and his son John settled in Ipswich, Bay colony in 1635. Apparently John went to Carrickfergus by 1654 to purchase land for colonists who had tired of the New World and d there in 1656. Ipswich is, of course, one of William Douglas' homes when he came from England in 1640. It is tempting to think one reason William settled in Ipswich was because his wife's family friend was there. Some Tuttle children are registered in the earliest Ipswich birth records. I can't tell you anything about the Robinsons, but solid information about the Tuttle's is fairly easy to discover.
Betsey
Jan 9, 2012
Bruce Douglass
Betsey, Regarding the Robinsons, I have the line from William and Margaret Beach but I don't know if Thomas is the father. My line from William is followed by 4 generations of Increase Robinson. It does seem that there are a lot of coincidences.
Jan 9, 2012
Betsey Heath Howes
I've been trying to find a verifiable source for the dob for William Douglas which is usually given as "1610" (based on the Douglas Genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas pub 1879) or more specifically Aug 9 1610. There are some other dates online, but the August 9th date is by far the most used. Where did it come from? The earliest place I have so far found it is in a query by Douglas Merritt published in "Notes and Queries", 1913, Vol 127, p 368. This can be found in a snippet view on Google Books. The journal, which seems to collect queries from other publications and publish them a few times a year, is put out by Oxford Press with William White, editor. I would like to see the whole query hoping that Mr Merritt or the editor gave a source. Can anyone find it? If you have a verifiable source for William's birth as Aug 9 1610, we'd all like to hear about it.
Betsey
Feb 21, 2012
William Douglas
A chart showing how descendants of William migrated to other states and to Canada - not a good cut and paste job, but interesting.
Aug 20, 2015
Sherrie Douglas
Hello everyone. I am new to this forum. I am a descendent of Deacon William Douglas (1610). My lineage is as follows:
1. Robert C Douglas (1940 - present)
2. Raymond R Douglas (1902-1966)
3. Charles L Douglas (1865 - 1932)
4. Edward Douglas (1820 - 1888)
5. Amos Douglas (1779 - 1857)
6. William Douglas (1743 - 1811)
7. Asa Douglas ((1715 - 1792)
8. Deacon William Douglas (1672 - 1719)
9. William Douglas (1645 - 1725)
10. Deacon William Douglas (1610-1682)
Jamais Arrière!
Jul 2, 2017
William Douglas
William's daughter, Anne seems to have married three times. One of these was to a William Keeney (various spellings, and not always William).
Researching Douglases (also of various spellings) in Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England, I came across the theory that Anne married Sir Thomas Kinne Baronet of King's Lynn, County Norfolk.
'Sir' Thomas is said to have been knighted by the King in 1618, for "signal services rendered to the English government". He fled to Holland to escape from religious persecution. In 1625, he came to America, just five years after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. However, there is no such baronetcy.
It is also suggested by others that Anne married one of Thomas's children.
Aug 6, 2017
Robin Spencer
Happy New Year! I'm a Spencer but have Wm Douglas (1610) as an ancestor. I just posted a tree diagram derived from the Douglas Y-DNA project. You will know that DNA breaks the direct Scottish parentage for William, but you may be interested that a rough estimate of when we have a common ancestor with another Douglas line (that has DNA data) could go back about 30 generations -- far beyond the 10 generations of his American descendants.
Dec 29, 2017
William Douglas
Douglas Hollow is located in Wyoming County, Pennsylvania. It was settled by members of the Douglas family.
One of the local graveyards is known as the
Douglas Family Plot
Located on Richard S. Stark Farm by the pond, 1/2 mile up the dirt road.
Turn right off the Forkston to Lovelton road. Turn up road at the Dana Hulbirt Farm.
DOUGLAS, Clinton Albert, son of Isaac and Mary, d: 1843/53 5m
DOUGLAS, Lillie, dau. of A. and N., d: 18 Aug 1872 2y 1m 28d
DOUGLAS, Polly A. Kasson, wife of E. C., d: 10 July 1885 27y; Little Freddit, son, d: 21/27 (No Month or Year)
DOUGLAS, William, d: 18 Jan 1880 86y 6m
DOUGLAS, William Davis, son of William and Clarinda, d: 8 Aug 1847 6y 3m
DOUGLAS, William H., son of (No Name), d: 1840
KASSON, Polly A., See Polly A. Kasson Douglas
William, who married Clarinda, is a descendant of William Douglas, b1610.
Feb 12, 2018
William Douglas
Feb 23, 2019
Sherry Duty
Hi, I am new. I have been looking for information about Elizabeth Douglas born 1677, granddaughter of Deacon William, by his son Robert and Mary Hempstead. The Elizabeth Douglas I am looking for married first Stephen DeWolfe 1679 - 1711, they had two children Gidion and Stephen, she married Henry Howland and indentures her children at the ages of 6 years and 4 years, she then had two more children with Henry Howland, Elizabeth and Sarah. I am looking for any records that would prove or disprove this story. In my search came across this record, could this be the baptism for Deacon William Douglas?
FreeReg@Https://Www.Freereg.Org.Uk/Search_records/581896C5e93790eca36c5bee?...
Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data
Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Northamptonshire
Place Easton Maudit
Church name St Peter and St Paul
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 22 Jul 1609
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename William
Mother forename Agnes
Father surname DUGLEYS
Notes Latin entry translated into English
Transcribed by Anna Rufer
Credit Kay Collins
File line number 670
Feb 25, 2019
William W. Hough
Two comments on postings by Sherry Duty.
The only husband of Elizabeth Douglas listed in the Douglas Genealogy by Charles Henry James Douglas (available on Google Books) is Henry Rowland (not Howland) on page 63. However, another book on the DeWolfe family, "Dolphs and De Wolffs" by Carol Maginnis, in which I found a snippet that suggests that she did indeed marry a DeWolfe before Rowland, should be examined. I can't see the whole entry, but a number of libraries have copies. Email me at wwhough@gmail.com if you can't locate a copy,
The William Dugleys found in the baptismal records of Easton Maudit may very well be our William Douglas. There was a substantial effort about 9 years ago to look for a marriage record between a William and Ann Motley in parishes in Northamptonshire. See the letter from Ed Douglas on this site dated Mar 3, 2012. To my knowledge, none has been found but more and more records are being transcribed. Don't know if anyone has revived that study in the last few years. Ed might also comment on Sherry's posting.
Feb 25, 2019
Edward Fenner Douglass III
I have Elizabeth Douglas (b. 1677) in my database. The entry is probably based on CHJ Douglas' tome on the Connecticut Douglases. Only one marriage to Henry ROWLAND is shown as William Hough reports. The date of marriage appears to be 25 Nov 1703, possibly in Lyme, CT. She died Aft 14 Jul 1715. I have no other notes about her and if there were any in CHJD, I would have copied and pasted them into my database. No Find-a-Grave information.
I don't have a copy of Carol Maginnis book.
In our search through the Northamptonshire public records, I believe we were looking for Douglases pretty intently. Whether we searched for alternative surname spellings, I am not certain. Betsey Howes would be the best person to ask about this. I will do so.
William Hough is correct: our search failed to find any record of William Douglas, b. abt 1609 in the Northamptonshire public records.
FreeReg a few years back was turning up many Douglases in Northamptonshire and neighboring counties. But not a "William Douglas." Is the FreeReg work continuing? Have they found more Douglases? Were they searching on alternative spellings of "Douglas" besides Dugleys? Betsey Howes was tracking the FreeReg work for us back 10 years ago. I will ask her if she has been continuing to follow this effort.
I will ask Julie Hornung if she is familiar with the Carol Maginnis book or if she can access it.
Feb 25, 2019
William Douglas
Does anyone have Wallace Barton Wallace (September 21, 1852 – December 9, 1930) in their family? He was a lawyer, jurist, and politician.
His biography states that his ancestors were 'Sir William Douglas and wife, who was a Miss Ringstad'.
It seems to me that they are more likely Deacon William Douglas, born 1610, and his wife Ann Mattle, daughter of Thomas Mattle of Ringstead, England.
Mar 6, 2019
William W. Hough
Further comment on Sherry Duty's post.
Sherry, your first post is accurate. Elizabeth Douglass indeed had two husbands and two children by each that you correctly name. The second husband was Henry Roland, not Howland, and I found 11 different spellings of this surname in my search, all beginning with "R". I spent a couple of hours with the Carol Maginnis "de Wolf" book (2 volumes) in the library, and am extremely impressed with her work. She lists a number of sources: vital records, land records, church records, orphan's court records, and probate records for New London, Lyme, and New London County, Connecticut. You could duplicate her work by examining records in courthouses in Connecticut or on microfilm at the LDS Family History Center in Salt Lake City. I am not going to try. A lot of the dates she gives are derived, meaning you can bracket for example a marriage between the last child of one mother to the date of an indenture by the step mother. I might derive a broader window in some cases, but her derivations are all reasonable.
WorldCat lists the libraries that hold the Mcginnis book. Search for the author "Carol Maginnis" and at least one of the results should give you a list with lots of public libraries. Or you can email me at wwhough@gmail.com and I can give you more info on what I found in my search.
Mar 6, 2019
William W. Hough
William, the first line of the biography and your post should have said Wallace Barton Douglas. I didn't have him but had his father and mother in my database. I now have him. He is indeed a descendant of Deacon William Douglas, born 1610, and his wife Ann Mattle. His line back is Asahel M. (1814), Israel Jr. (1769), Israel (1742), John (1701), William (1666), Robert (1639, William (~1610). I also descend from Israel Jr. in this line. There were a lot of Douglass cousins who went to Leyden, New York around 1800.
Mar 6, 2019