Drysdale - a Douglas sept

Drysdale is considered a sept of the Douglas clan, but it is quite likely that this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name. A sept is a family that can be related to a clan or larger family for various reasons. Usually this came about either through marriage or by a small family seeking protection from a larger and more powerful neighbour.

  • William Douglas

    DRYSDALE BROTHERS: William (1838-1902), businessman, George Russell (1854?-1909), pastoralist and planter, and John (1847-1928), engineer and planter were born in Scotland, sons of John Drysdale of Kilrie, town clerk of Kirkcaldy, Fife, and his wife Mary, née Carstairs, all have entries in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 4.

    Sir George Russell Drysdale (1912-1981), artist, was born on 7 February 1912 at Bognor Regis, Sussex, England, son of George Russell Drysdale, also has an entry.

    Does anyone have them in their tree?

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    Also in Australia is the town of Drysdale, named after Anne Drysdale, whose estate "Coriyule" still sits above the township.

    How does she fit into the family?

  • William Douglas

    Russell, please check the link below...

  • William Douglas

    From the Times of 1 July 2013: Lord David NICKSON & Eira DRYSDALE - The marriage took place privately on Saturday 29th June 2013, at St Modoc's Church, Doune, between David Nickson and Eira Drysdale.

    David Wigley NICKSON KBE (b 1929, cr LP UK 1997 as Baron NICKSON, of Renagour, in the District of Stirling) s of Geoffrey Wigley NICKSON (1901-83) and Janey Mary DOBIE (d 1994). He m 1st 1952 (Helen) Louise (b 1930, reg Q3 Hampshire) d of Lt-Col Louis William La Trobe CROCKCRAFT DSO MVO (1880-1963) and Sylvia (1900-95) d of _ MATHER of Huntley Hall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, and had 3 daus. He m 2nd 2013 Eira DRYSDALE.

  • William Douglas

    When I posted the information about the Nickson/Drysdale marriage, I had not realised that Lord Nickson is the father of a near neighbour!

  • William Douglas

    Researching merchants in Aberdeen, I came across the family 'Alexanders of Lochaber and  Inverkeithny', and their Douglas and Drysdale connections.  The page contains many mis-spellings, so handle with care!

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ocarroll/alex.htm 

  • William Douglas

    Good sleuthing, Russell.

    Do you know who Helen Agnes Drysdale is?

  • William Douglas

    Here is an interesting list of Fife names where the middle name is Drysdale: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGISco...

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    St Cuthbert's Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh.

    Top Tablet on North Wall.

    Sacred to the memory of Sir William Drysdale of Pitteuchar,
    Knight, who died on the 4th June 1843, aged 62 years.

    Lower Tablet on North Wall.
    Sepulchretum Thomae Cochrane, M.D., 1789.

    Marble Tablet on East Middle Wall.
    In memory of Jane Fleming, first wife of Sir William Drysdale of
    Pitteuchar, who died on the 18th November 1812, and of Jane Cochrane,

    second wife of the above, who died on the ioth November 1818 ; also in
    memory of Captain William Drysdale, 15th Regiment Madras Native
    Infantry, who died in India on 21st June 1843, aged 32 years, eldest son
    of the above Sir William Drysdale.

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    St Cuthbert's Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh.

    Monument near East railing facing the east.

    Sacred to the memory of Alexander Hutton, writer, Edinburgh,
    an only child. As a son dutiful and affectionate, in his studies at the
    University diligent and successful: in business, active, assiduous and
    correct, died 18th April 1820, aged 17 years ; also of Mrs. Margaret
    Drysdale, his mother, who died 26th May 1840, aged 80 years, wife of
    Alexander Hutton, Portsburgh.

    Upright Monument.

    Erected to the memory of William Drysdale, Junior, son to William
    Drysdale, Turf Coffee House, Edinburgh, died 4th November 1792,
    aged 30 years, much regretted by his friends and acquaintances.

  • William Douglas

    "Dunfermline Press"
    8 March, 1930
    COLLIERY OFFICIALS

    PIT ACCIDENT. - While at work in the Valleyfield Colliery on Tuesday, Andrew Drysdale, miner, met with a serious accident through a piece of coal falling upon him. He was attended to by Dr Cook, Newmills, after which he was conveyed to Dunfermline and West Fife Hospital suffering from a broken arm and other injuries.

  • William Douglas

    A slightly different version - with a different list of names below:

  • William Douglas

    Yes, I did not understand the spelling thing when I first read it...

  • William Douglas

    This article: 'The Drysdale Family and Homeopathy' has some interesting links.

     

  • William Douglas

    I found this gravestone in St. Mary the Virgin Parish Churchyard on the Holy Island of Lindisfarne, amongst a group of Douglas graves.

    More on Lindifarne...

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  • William Douglas

    Australian links between Douglas and Drysdale can be found in Elizabeth Douglass' scrapbook, ca.1855-ca.1890

    She may be the wife of Alfred Douglass, who built Corio Villa. It would be good to get confirmation of that - and access to the photographs.

  • Allan Laird

    I am trying to find out more about my G-Grandfather's Family. His name was Dugald Drysdale. He was born in Scotland and emigrated to Australia via India. I have some information that suggests he grew up on Islay but another story goes he was apprenticed as a cabin boy at the age of nine. It is also suggested that he had a brother, name unknown (possibly Neil) and maybe a sister (possibly Catherine). He was born about 1854. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

  • William Douglas

    I have located the 'missing' version of the origins of the Drysdale family document. Sadly, nothing startlingly new there. This version was transcribed by  John Harrower Drysdale, Aylmer, Ontario, Canada, in 1920.
    http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Septs/drysdale.html

    As a quid pro quo to the donor, I promised to seek out good Drysdale research websites. Can anyone help?

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

                The origins of the Drysdale family  predate this  1503 document , the substance of the record from 1503 I have no reason to doubt yet the presentation as such [ from above ] ''STORY OF THE CREATION OF THE DRYSDALE FAMILY'' & ''The following tells the story of the creation of the Drysdale family ''  are misleading . 

     Gawaine and Johne  Dryfesdale and four others were recorded in january 1488  in connection with  charges that amount to treason .

     

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    Comment by William Douglas on September 10, 2014 at 15:48

    I have located the 'missing' version of the origins of the Drysdale family document...................... William I would say the ''missing'' version would be the original [possibly in Latin ] that Simon Drysdale copied first in 1620 , if it still exists . 

  • William Douglas

    Re Missing version - I was referring to the document that I linked to from the website, which 'disappeared'. There presumably is, or was, a version that does not have the handed down notes.

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    In RE: Comment by William Douglas on August 5, 2013 at 16:15

    Good sleuthing, Russell.

    Do you know who Helen Agnes Drysdale is?

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    I have not invested research in this material , i simply located it 

       by pure coincident .

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    http://www.geocities.ws/michaeloutram/dat5.htm#7

    Drysdale, Helen Agnes 

    Birth : 1781 
    Gender: Female
    Family:

    Marriage: 17 Nov 1807 in Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England 
    Spouse:
    Douglas, Andrew 
    Birth : 15 Feb 1781 
    Death : 11 Sep 1841 Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
    Gender: Male
    Children:
    Douglas, Margaret Drysdale 
    --------------------------------------------------
    Douglas, Margaret Drysdale 
    Birth : 1819 
    Death : 1865 
    Gender: Female
    Parents:
    Father: Douglas, Andrew 
    Mother: Drysdale, Helen Agnes 
    Family:
    Marriage: 15 Dec 1840 in Marnock, Banff, Scotland 
    Spouse:
    Alexander, Charles 
    Birth : Auchininna, Inverkeithny, , Banff, Scotland
    Death : 5 Oct 1861 Hardwick Place, Commercial Road, London, Grenada
    Gender: Male
    Parents:
    Father: Alexander, Charles 
    Mother: Thain, Helen 
    Children:
    Alexander, Charles Douglas 
    Birth : 16 Nov 1841 
    Death : 26 Nov 1842 
    Gender: Male
    Alexander, Arthur Harvey 
    Twins>Alexander, Helen 
    Twins>Alexander, Agnes (Aunt Aggie) 
    Alexander, Douglas 
    Alexander, Margaret (Aunt Doe) 
    Alexander, Thomas 
    Alexander, Rosanne (Aunt Rose) 
    Birth : 1854 Grenada
    Death : 2 Feb 1945 Hove, Sussex, England
    Gender: Female
    Alexander, Charles 
    Birth : 2 Jan 1854 
    Death : 20 Jul 1854 
    Gender: Male
    Alexander, Emmeline-Aunt Em Florance Douglas 
    Birth : 1857 
    Gender: Female
    Alexander, Florance (Aunt Flo) 
    Birth : 1859 
    Gender: Female
  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    To further expand on the question posed by William  ''

    Good sleuthing, Russell.

    Do you know who Helen Agnes Drysdale is? ''

     This material was found in 

    EXTRACT FROM "ALEXANDERS OF LOCABER AND INVERKEITHNY"

    Compiled by Robert Alexander, 1926

    Updated by Michael Outram, starting 1984

    Printed 6 March 2009

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ocarroll/alex.htm

      ''In 1840 Charles (born 1802) married Margaret Drysdale Douglas (born 1819) daughter of Andrew Douglas of Jodburgh and Berwick-on-Tweed and his wife Helen Agnes Drysdale.

    Douglas, the second surviving son of Charles Alexander was born in 1849 and after completing his education in Aberdeen he returned to Grenada to manage his father's property Montreuil which had been left in trust for the family. In 1871 Douglas married Annie Elizabeth McEwen (born 1853) and by her had eight sons and four daughters. Like his father before him Douglas became a member of the Executive Council and the owner of several estates in the island. He died in London in January 1910 and was buried in the same grave as his father at Bow.

    The other two married daughters of Charles Alexander and Helen Drysdale Douglas were Helen and Agnes who were twin sisters born in 1844. Helen married Arthur Gall, an officer of constabulary in Barbados and had two sons and daughters. Arthur Henry Beckles [Gall] was born in 1870 and became a very successful planter. In 1899 he married his cousin Margaret Edith Gall. There is no issue of the marriage.''  

    Alexander is a sept of Clan Donald if I am correct . I hope that gave a clearer answer than the tree did William 

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name, I find that acceptable , however , 

    STORY OF THE CREATION OF THE DRYSDALE FAMILY

    The following is said to tell the story of the creation of the Drysdale family, it was actually part of the Black Douglas clan which remained in Scotland, following their failed attempt against the Scots crown in 1455. [Earlier references to Drysdale, or Dryfesdale can be found]

     this needs work

    DRYSDALE FAMILY

    Drysdale was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name , this is their story

     

  • William Douglas

    From the Telegraph of 19 February 2015: DOCKAR-DRYSDALE Charles Died at home on February the 14th after a long battle bravely fought with cancer.Adored and adoring husband of Susie,father of Adam, William and Emma and grandpa to eight very special grand children. Service at Cherington and Stourton village church at 12.30 on Tuesday the 3rd of March. Flowers welcome. Enquiries: Funeral directors R Locke and Son.

    I take this to be Charles Nicholas Gordon Lloyd DOCKAR-DRYSDALE (b 1943), scion of the gentry family of that name of Wick Hall.

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    A QUEER LIFE ENDED.
    William Drysdale, a Well Known Shoe maker, Dies by Shooting Three
    Bullets Into His Body.
    ln a back yard, just behind his shop, a few minutes before 8 o'clock yesterday evening, William Drysdale, a well known Shoemaker of Taylor,
    committed suicide by shooting himself three times in the left breast. The
    deed was (lone with a small caliber weapon, and although two of the bullets went through his heart, the other one taking effect went an inch below, the unfortunate man lived a half hour, but did not recover consciousness.  He was removed to the station; house on Pine street and Dr. Honser was summoned Drysdale was beyond medical aid and expired without uttering a word .

    Drysdale, in his gloomy moods, often said tie would end his life. He boarded with Thomas R. Nicholas, on Main street, where his remains were finally taken. He had been drinking heavily for the past two weeks. While at his shop Saturday morning shots were heard in that vicinity. Drysdale was found behind the shop In a greatly excited condition, and he shouted that his enemies were after him and meant
    to take bis life. The revolver was taken from him.
    Robert Moore met Drysdale after he left the Davis' drug store last evening and did not suspect that be was bent on self-destruction. When Mr. Moore parted with him Drysdale went to his shop and in a few minutes afterward three pistol shots rung out. He had gone to a coal house in the rear, leaned against the side of it and ended bis
    life.
    About eight months ago he was waylaid at night by an unknown assailant and terribly beaten with a blackjack. Since then, whenever he gave himself up to drink, his actions have been queer. The act which ended his life yesterday was not unexpected.
         As far as is known be had not a relative in this country. His parents were Scotch, and he was about 36 years of age. Seven years ago ho took up his Residence in Taylor and did a thriving business at his trade. One laudable trait was his fondness for little children.
       He was troubled with melancholy,and the only cure he resorted to for
    this morbid feeling was the liquor habit. Although uneducated his mind
    was a storehouse of historical events,and he was skilled with a, talent for
    mimicry that he often used for the amusement of his companions.

    The Scranton tribune., September 17, 1894 ,  Scranton, Pennsylvania

    So if this is correct his birth year would be in the area of 1858 +/- 1

      Any one missing a long lost uncle William , a shoe maker on their tree ? 

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  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE. Promotions.- Acting Lieutenant- Commanders Arthur John Boyes, Clifford McDonald Sullivan, Gustaf Theodore Purees Lenz, Clarence Askew Byrne, D.S.C'., James Bernard Campbell and Frank Sydney Burnet Appleton, D.S.C., are promoted to the rank of Lieutenant- Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Lieutenants John Darcy Shelley, James Benison Griffin, D..S.C., Kenneth Stuart Sutherland, Cecil William Wallach, D.S.C., William Da,rriwill Wright, Colin Philip Dickeson, D.S.C., Henry Charles John Lockyer, Graham Scholefield Mann, D.S.C., Hugh George Thom, Elford Bartlett Hopkins, Sandford Saul Nevile, Robert Haxton Grant, John Colin Patrick Boyle, Arthur Roy Pearson and Lindsay Brownfield Brand are promoted to the rank of Liei :tenant- Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Engineer Lieutenant Thomas Wailes Robbins is promoted to the rank of Engineer Lieutenant Commander, dated 31st December, 1949. Acting Lieutenant Commander (Special Branch) Percy Harold Baile is promoted to the rank of Lieutenant- Commander (Special Branch), dated 31st December, 1949. Lieutenants (Special Branch) Lea Roy Wright. Maxwell Vernon Joy, George William Lilley, Alfred William Thomas Solomon, William Drysdale and Roy Atlee Bowra are promoted to the rank of Lieutenant -Commander                                       ( Special Branch). dated 31st December, 1949.-(Ex. Min. No. 25- Approved 11th March, 1950.) JOS. FRANCIS, Minister for the Navy.

  • William Douglas

    Above from: The County Families of the United Kingdom 1869

  • Russell Lynn Drysdale

    [#1.] William's (1717-1757) son, [#2.] William Drysdale (1745-1825), was also Town Clerk of Kirkcaldy, and acquired the estate of Pitteuchar, in Kinglassie parish, in the early 1800s.

    He was succeeded there by his son,[#3.] Sir William Drysdale (1781-1843), Writer to the Signet, who was knighted while City Treasurer of Edinburgh, 1841-1843.