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"William. Thanks. Just back after the trip. I double checlked and the date of that marriage with a Ker is 1692. The fact that all this was happening in Newbattle/Cockpen does gel with other bits of family history -…"
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"I am copying other correspondence here for ease of access Possibly the Holy Cross Church Hall in St Helens. The photo was taken in the 1930s, and the banjo player is Frederick Austin ('Fred') Douglas (1904 - 1961). ------------- Are any…"
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"Thankyou William, The F.A D. -April 1974 etc. Fairly sure he is not our branch. The Frederick Austin and Elizabeth Ann nee Blake are my husbands (Robert John) parents. They had four sons all born St Helens, Lancashire (Registered in Preston) Francis…"
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"Welcome to our group, Robert Are any of these your ancestor? April 1974 - Frederick Austin Douglas, unemployed, residing and latelycarrying on business in partnership with others as builders,at 32 Mayland Avenue, Canvey Island in the county of…"
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" Possibly the Holy Cross Church Hall in St Helens. The photo was taken in the 1930s, and the banjo player is Frederick Austin ('Fred') Douglas (1904 - 1961)."
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"Thank you, Robert for the correction, which is very welcome. You were kind enough to send me the paper on the history of Kidston about a year ago, and i include a link from the Septs page. Yours aye, William"
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The Scottish Marches is a term for the border country on both sides of the border between Scotland and England. From the Norman conquest of England until the reign of James VI of Scotland, who also became James I of England, border clashes were common and the monarchs of both countries relied on March Lords to…

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Today it has been announced that Rembrandt’s ‘Catrina Hooghsaet’ which has been at the centre of a storm over UK export rules, is going on loan to National Museum Cardiff for three years. This one of a number of artworks collected by the Douglas-Pennant family at Penrhyn Castle.  …

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Up for sale on ebay is a divided back 1916 RPPC, unposted. It is inscribed 'Burning the Bodies of Dead Bandits at Columbus, N.…

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Was Lady Janet Douglas of Glamis a witch?

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I have asked this question before: Was Lady Janet Douglas of Glamis a witch?

A recent book by Deborah Richmond Foulkes, FSAScot, FLAMES OF MY TRUTH, The Tragic Execution of Janet Douglas would appear to put the matter to rest.

In a note to me, she wrote:  

I reviewed the entire surviving records that Pictcairn published on Criminal Trials in Scotland and in all three trials involving Janet, she was never charged with witchcraft. I did find that her son was charged…

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At 17:27 on April 29, 2016, James Izatt said…

William.

Thanks.

Just back after the trip. I double checlked and the date of that marriage with a

Ker is 1692. The fact that all this was happening in Newbattle/Cockpen does gel with other bits of family history - geographically that is in that stretch of territory in an arc south of Edinburgh.  It may be that it proves impossible to find out more about John D but some other bit of evidence may be out there.

At 22:17 on April 27, 2016, Robert John Douglas said…

Thankyou William,

The F.A D. -April 1974 etc. Fairly sure he is not our branch.

The Frederick Austin and Elizabeth Ann nee Blake are my husbands (Robert John) parents.

They had four sons all born St Helens, Lancashire (Registered in Preston)

Francis Joseph D b28/10/38 d in NZ 21/4/2008; (my husband) Robert John, b 7/11/40; Austin Frederick D b 11/4/43-d in Kelowna BC 27/2/2008;John Christopher b 21/6/50-d in NZ 21/9/1997

That is my husbands (Robert John) father - Fred on the Banjo. (Probably posted by Anne Sherriff, a 2nd cousin,I think) We are looking for Freds older brother, Robert Francis Douglas

At 10:44 on April 25, 2016, James Izatt said…

Douglas

Thanks. No probs I am up north towards Pitlochry for the next few days and I will pick up when I return.

It does strike me that what is known is that there were two or three Douglas families in Cockpen/Newbattle at the time. It is certain that a William D did marry a Witherspoon and if his DOB and marriage is correct I can see where that gels with the backstory.  That however does not explain the Penninghame angle, if there is one. It may be as simple as two Williams and two marriages getting conflated. 

Also it does not necessarily shed any light on the  John Duglass who, I suspect may be my direct ancestor. The birth dates of Johns and Williams first children are circa 25 years apart so we are probably dealing with an earlier generation and there may be no actual connection to William D/Witherspoon.

You will probably know this already but it would be good to know when Cockpen records started as a separate parish. Given the history with the Kers I suspect that Newbattle is older and in fact there is a marriage between James of Queensberry and Mary Kerr in 1692 - again probably down to the Ker base at Newbattle 

I have updated the spreadsheet to include the other births.Ancestry%20Douglas.xlsx

 

At 20:52 on April 24, 2016, James Izatt said…

William

Just had a look at the update on the stub re Cockpen Douglas I would think that the key thing is sorting out the suggested relationship between William Douglas  Awith Grishild McK.

What is known is that a William Duglass and Janet Witherspoon  DID have six children between 1694 and 1706 (all Cockpen) and on that basis a birth date of 1668 and a marriage of 1694 does not seen unreasonable.

Clearly that could not reconcile with a Marriage to GMCK in Penninghame in 1693 with children being born from 1693 onwards.

The only provisional conclusion that I can draw is that there are two marriages there and that the GMK one is a bit of a red herring  

At 20:02 on April 21, 2016, James Izatt said…

Ancestry%20Douglas.xlsx

I think I may have now managed to attach a file of the Douglas birth data for Cockpen and Newbattle from 1650. An potentially interesting point is that prior to that date there are no Douglas births so either the records are not held at SRO or there were none to record. The fact that William married to a Witherspoon was born in Dumfries may indicate that the Douglas connection is after 1650 in that locality   

At 21:36 on April 19, 2016, James Izatt said…

Following up some SRO enquiries re the Douglasses of Cockpen I was wondering if anyone had any more information regarding a Jonet Douglas born 1681 to John Douglas and Isobel Hardie. I think that this is the same Janet who married a Cochrane in 1707 (in Newbattle) but that is yet to be confirmed. The Doulas Hardie marriage had 9 children at around the same time as the Douglas/Witherspoon marriage mentioned previously.

It would also be useful of anyone had more info re this John Douglas - albeit there are quite a number.

Jim

 

At 15:54 on April 19, 2016, Kathleen Marie Thurman said…

Yes that is the same man, he did have a son William Eagles. Do you have a genealogy that includes Frank Johnson Douglas?

Kathleen

At 23:07 on April 15, 2016, James Williams said…

Hi William, thanks so much for this but I really am interested in finding DOUGLAS in Ireland - Edenburt especially.  My Great Grandmother was an immigrant to Whitehaven from Edenburt, Lurgan, Co. Cavan. Her Brother John must have come with her because he turned up in Liverpool, Lancashire whilst she married Thomas BENNET in St Bees, Cumberland in 1835.  I found a Thomas BENNET in Edenburt too - he came up on the census at Whitehaven but born in Ireland.  She was kind enough to visit her brother on census night - otherwise I might never have found her.

At 1:04 on March 16, 2016, Terry Lynn Newman said…

Yes William, that is my ancestor. I am very excited about this!  The information I have includes almost exactly what you sent to me.  I will send you the information I have; what I have deciphered so far.  The original is handwritten and I have a copy of the original and it has taken me awhile to figure out all that it says.  By the way, my brother's name is William Douglas Newman.  :)

At 19:07 on March 6, 2016, Nancy Withers Yanagidate said…

Thanks, William. Will check this out.

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