Hello again.  I forgot to ask.  To which Douglas family does William, b. 1610, belong to?  Douglas of .....  (where)?  I tried to find it myself but wasn't successful. 

Thanks, Kirsten

GDay William!

I've sent you a message in to your mailbox yesterday asking if you can provide us with some assistance. :)

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind Regards

Andrew

Hi William

No, I didn't get it mate. I checked and re-checked and it seems to have been sucked into the e-vortex.

I'll send you a message through here first and hopefully you'll get it ok.

Andrew

Thank you William for your feedback.  The Battle of Otterburn video did take a lot of time to research and produce. It will depend on the number of requests from people as to what Video clip will be considered next.

Regards Aye,

Stephen

Levi Douglass was born 1782 Morris New Jersey, US and died 1852 Ontario Canada

thanks for this input William :-)

It was the Black Douglas (wasn't he sir James Douglas also?) I was referring to that he / we are descended from (see the pagefrom the book I've uploaded late last night titled  chapter V John Stuart Rust 1855 , then next page is the reference.

John Rust was a registra of Birth, Deaths and marriages and was in council etc.

My family tree start around Annan my part of it one of them went to the IOM        { Robert Douglas 1862 - 1935 wife Margaret Clarke 1862-1915 ??? }

And from there some went to Canada.

In 1947 { approx } went to live in a small village in Yorkshire  { Cowling }

Now wot do i do with the tree i have got.

there is 4 people on this part of the  tree with no info

John Douglas

Albert  Douglas

William Douglas  wife Ethel Cain 1898-1978

Alfred  Douglas 1899-1918 could have been killed 1st WW

It was done by Peter Mitchell Ross in 1983 from Carlisle

John Douglas

Howdy William,

I am just starting to find out where my Douglas family comes from. I have read some about the Douglas Clan origins and find it extremely interesting. The only thing I know about my family is that my great grandfather was Fredrick Horace Douglas and my great grandmother was Cheta Douglas. They once owned a grocery store in about 1900 in Miami, Florida , sold it and moved to a small farm in High Springs, Florida. I haven't been able to find out any other family history yet.

Actually am using logic on this one - hopefully I am right. All the girls born to James and Frances Templeton McGarrah in Brentford, Middx and listed at Wesleyan Ministry in London are listed as being to James and Frances Templeton. Similarly all the daughters are listed on censuses as Templeton except Ruth BUT on birth certificate for Phoebe(only one born after compulsory registration in 1837), her death certificate, marriage certificate for younger Frances born 1818 and married 1856, and death certificates for older Frances and for James, name is given as Templeton McGarrah. So the only mention of a James and Frances Templeton outside of Brentford is IGI batch C116974 dated 22.9.1813 in Peniuik, Midlothian. Given that , according to other posts, there were Douglas in this area, maybe there is someone out there who can link these. I found the Douglas name for Frances' maiden name on Phoebe's birth certificate.

Harry Bernard Drazkowski and Helen F. Thompson were married before 1919 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. She was an American war bride, Harry having been stationed in the Scottish airdrome of Drem, which was near her home. Helen F. Thompson was born on 21 Jun 1893 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. She immigrated on 26 Aug 1919. She died on 16 Mar 1990 at the age of 96 in Winona, Winona co, MN. Helen was buried in St. Mary's cemetery, Winona, Winona co, MN. She had Social Security Number 543-24-6575.

Winona County, Minnesota Census, 1920

Town: Winona City                                        Enum. District: 209

Page No.: 12A                                                   Fam. No.: 241

Surname: Droszkowski Drazkowski          Given Names: Helen

Relation: W                                                       Sex: F

Color or Race: W                                              Age: 26

Year of Imm.: 1919                                          Birth Place: Scotland

Father's Birth Place: Scotland                    Mother's Birth Place: Scotland

DRAZKOWSKI, HELEN THOMPSON

 CertID# 1990-MN-008650

 Date of Birth:   06/21/1893

 Place of Birth:  OUT OF STATE

 Mother Maiden Name:  DOUGLAS

 Date of Death:   03/16/1990

 County of Death:  WINONA

ToDo:   Scottish marriage records for Thompson/Douglas                                                                                               

my family that would know has passed away Jerome and Dennis. I hope maybe someone can help me track my great grandmother.  Thank you

Hi,

Yes this is one and the same John Black Douglas - he was married to Georgiana (also known as Georgina) Bennett in St Pancreas church london. they then immigrated to NSW where my Great Grandfather Buchanan Douglas was born, He had 2 sons one of which is Albert Douglas my Grandfather who then had 6 sons of which my Father Sidney Douglas is the eldest and I am the eldest of the next generation. I think coming from the UK to Maitland area in NSW in 1851 must have been like going to the moon.

Thank you very much William still checking all the info.

                                                                                      Paul.

Thanks William.

I have a few possibilities, but have hit several brick walls.  I do love doing this, alot of fun.  I currently live in England and would like to have found a connection to Scotland before I go back to the US in Aug 2013.  Willing to share with anyone. I appreciate the quick response.  Thanks. Steven Douglas 

Hi William,

My George Douglas /Helen Spavin had son William born 13/08/1775 in Cockpen. He married Janet Clapperton 31/01/1880. She was born 06/10/1780 in Cockpen. They had 12 children. Janets parents were James Clapperton born 1756who married Mary Boston (born17/02/1754)  21/12/1776.

Try as I may I can't get further back

George Douglas  and Helen Spavin both originate from Temple near Edinburgh so I imagine they married there. Their 12 children were born in Cockpen, Newbattle and Edinburgh areas

Thanks William, I will have a look at my tree and check my details. From memory what you say seems familar to me. Your help is much appreciated, Ethel

William, thank you for the follow up.  Col. Douglas sounds familiar and I'm looking through one of the Douglas history volumes my great aunt Ruth Eleanor Douglas worked on for many years.  It contains a lot of information about the Virginia Douglases so perhaps I'll find more connections here in the forum.  I'm looking forward (no pun intended) to the research.

Thanks William.  From LDS film of Borthwick I have birth of George Douglas b 1742 Borthwick to George Douglas b c 1715, and Christian Watson (married 1738 Borthwick).  Have been trying to identify where George b c 1715 came from.  Records a bit thin around that time.  Some unsubstantiated connections for George on the internet.  I was hoping you may have had some confimed parents for him.

Hi William - In your comments to Ethel Douglas you have mentioned the family of William Douglas b 1668 Cockpen and Grishild McKeand.  These are descendents of the Black Douglas as I understand it.  On a website, where their children are listed, there is a George b 1711 in Cockpen. 

The IGI lists George b 1711 in Cockpen as being the child of William Douglas and Janet Witherspoon - and lists all their children. 

Their children were being born at the same time as the children of William and Grishild McKeand.  I wondered if the information you have on that couple has a resource.  Thanks - Julie

Thanks for all that information William - much appreciated.  I have some work ahead of me as there is confusion over whose children were whose from the various sources available.  George b 1742 had a connection to the Lord President of Scotland, Robert Dundas.  Julie

William! The stones have arrived! Thank you so so much! :)

I haven't been home for the past two weeks but I'll get onto refunding you just as soon as I can.

This is very exciting.  Thank you again William. Without your help the CDAA project would not have been possible. :)

George Douglas b c 1711 appears to be child of William Douglas and Janet Witherspoon.  Descendants of George and Christian Watson, m Borthwick 1738, have the middle name Witherspoon.  Info passed on from Who Do You..... - Margaret Douglas b 1790 Cockpen was g granddaughter of George and Christian.  Julie

Baptism entry Cockpen 4 May 1711, George Duglass, lawful son to William Duglass and Janet Witherspoon in Dalhousie, baptised 4th May, wittness John Witherspoon and James O'Tyrie.  Can't find marriage for William and Janet.  Don't know where William comes from. 

There are a couple of websites plus entries in the Pedigree section of Familysearch.org which say that the father of William Duglass who married Janet Witherspoon was William Douglas b 1649 and mother Agnes Wilson m c 1667.  That William Douglas 1649 was the son of James Douglas and Agnes Rome.  He married 1st Isabel Elizabeth Kennedy 1665.  Some people are listing children to Isabel Kennedy after 1667 when he married Agnes Wilson.  Isabel Kennedy also appears to have had a son William b 1666 who married Grishild McKean.  I am confused.  Can you shed any light on this?

Yes, thanks William.  She was their great granddaughter.  Have you seen my entries for today?

Thanks for your reply William.  Now I am really confused.  Which William is descended from Gilbert Douglas?  On the IGI there is a Gilbert Douglase b 1613 to William Douglas and Agnes Wilson in South Leigh.  Hummm, they seemed to have got around!

Good heavens!  I suppose, with lack of records from so long ago, people make mistakes.  Would really appreciate help with sorting this out.

Thanks for searching for me!

Luckily, I have some basic information for WIlliam Douglas.  Not his parents, unfortunately, but at least his birth date and location as well as marriage.  Here it is:

William Douglas

Born: 19 July 1856 in Cooly, Moville Upper, Donegal

married: 12 June 1888 in Moville, Upper Moville, Co Donegal

died: 18 February 1945 in Toronto

Spouse: Margaret Jane Johnston

Born: 12 August 1865 in Moville, Donegal

Died: 23 October 1914 in Toronto

The main problem is that I have no idea who any of their parents were, and so cannot continue to trace the line.

Thank you so much for your help!  I've been searching endlessly on my own and thought I'd turn to someone else for a change!

Caitlin

I will do, thank you.

I don't know where I fit in, which is why I joined - I've been using ancestry.co.uk to trace my family tree, but have only got as far back as my great grandparents on my father's side. I know my grandad (Arthur William John Douglas, b.1927) is from Sunderland, and his mother was called Ellen Knight and his father William Douglass (or Douglas - he changed the spelling, I don't know when) but that's as far as I've got. So hopefully I will find something here to get a bit further back!

Now that's all very interesting, it certainly gives a new direction to go in as I didn't have a clue where to look. I will mention it to my grandad and see if anything jogs his memory - if not, it's still far more to look at than I had before. Thank you for that.

yes William, i first heard from a distant relative,we are from the black watch, also their name was Dryfusdale, they apparently killed all in a village some where, then they changed to Drysdale, don't know about it, did find a tree confirming this lost it when my computer died. Will have to try to find it again

Darlene

Hi William, I am researching my husbands family on his mother's side and this is the information that I was given. It will be interesting to try and trace teh links

The  SHOLTO-DOUGLAS-VERNON  family  is descended from  the BLACK

DOUGLAS  CLAN  in  SCOTLAND.  Their home being LOCHLEVEN CASTLE,[ now in ruins.]  They were known as the  ROYAL

DOUGLAS CLAN , dating back to the 16th Century.  There is however History of the original family arriving from Flanders during the 12^th Century and settling on the Douglas waters.

 In 1568  MARY  QUEEN

OF   SCOTS escaped from  the island castle of Lochleven, Lord of the castle

was SIR   WILLIAM   DOUGLAS. His younger brother GEORGE  had fallen

in love with MARY  and was banished from the castle,so it fell on young WILLIE

DOUGLAS to help her escape.  He stole the keys, by placing them under a

table napkin.  He then rowed her accross the loch to where GEORGE Douglas

was waiting with horses.  Mary Queen of Scots then removed the most

beautiful ruby and diamond pendant which depicted the heart of ROBERT  THE

BRUCE . .  She gave this treasure to Willy Douglas in appreciation

for helping her escape and this was passed down to his heirs.. This would

always be inherited by the eldest male member of  the DOUGLAS family.

The surname Douglas then became Sholto Douglas and some time later

through marriage and a substantial inheritance it was changed to SHOLTO-

DOUGLAS-VERNON.  There is a family link to the Vernon family of HADDON

HALL. One daughter was named after Dorothy Vernon of Haddon Hall

Let me know if you have ay information pertaining to the above. It will be interesting to see where the Vernon connection comes in?

Kind Regards

Jeanine

Hi William

I am new to this and not sure if you have received my previous comment or not so am writing again.

Re; The South African search.  My mother married Robin Sholto Douglas (the son of Norman Douglas) in 1928.  Apparently he was at the time already married -- to someone in South Africa.  So the marriage was bigamous.  I have a lot more information on Robin, however will await your reply before sending you anything else.  Am I Robin's daughter - well his name is on my birth certificate but I am not sure and that is something I am trying to find out!  Georgina

Hi William,

Due to having a lot of time to myself recently I have not been working on my tree as much as I would normally do, therefore, it had been a wee while since I had accessed " The Douglas Archives".

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the site and found that so much had been added since I last had a look at the site.

I have been building my tree for my Dad who is now 87 and he has recently been able to make contact with the family of his Aunt who went to New Zealand with her three sons in 1926 and he had always wondered what happened to her.

 As I say we have made contact with her family (grand-children) and they are so lovely. It's sad that his cousin's died not that long ago before we were able to make contact.

I would urge anyone who might be becoming a wee bit disheartened in their tree building to keep going.Even if you haven't found anyone new to add for a while, keep going. The lady I made contact with had seached for her Scottish family for 7 years and this was her last ditch attempt to find us. She now has a whole new family she is getting to know. We have exchanged letters and photo's etc. I can't tell you how much my Dad has gained from the expierence.

This site is wonderful for adding lots of details about the Douglas family that I had never been able to find elsewhere, thank you !

William : First found this site: David Andrew Douglas:States Orange McClain Douglas: b: 6 March 1848 in Indiana USA was his GREAT GRANDDAD:he was the father of my Granbdfather: William  Henry Douglas: Ihave found little informatiom relave to Orang McClain Douglas:

William,

I read your response about William Sholto Douglas, born 1856 Blairgowrie, which prompted me to write.

Most of my info is on old computer, waiting for transfer. Here goes, though, what I do have handy:

If this is correct marriage, Robert Douglas and Mary Black were married 4 jul 1813, Crailing. What I do know is their daughter Elizabeth married Matthew Todd. Matthew and Elizabeth's daughter Susan married Peter Reid; their daughter Mary Wright Reid married George Campbell Ross. This line of the family moved to Lanarkshire; later some emigrated to NY in early 1900's (shipfitters).

Robert appears to be the son of a Sholto Douglass and Mary Bruce, married jul 1782 in Auchtermuchty. One of Sholto and Mary's sons is John Douglass, chr 9 mar 1783 Auchtermuchty, married Agnes McAndrew; their son Sholto  is the father of the William Sholto Douglas born 1856 Blairgowrie, that went to NZ and became editor of the New Zealand Herald.

Jean, a daughter of Sholto and Mary Bruce, married William Johnston of Lathrisk, son of David Johnston Esq; their marriage is noted in Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine 1819: "At Edinburgh, William Johnston, squire of Lathrisk and Bavelaw to mistress Jean Douglas, youngest daughter of Mr Sholto Douglas"; as is the birth in 1820, and death in 1828, of their first-born son David. Their second born son George inherited Lathrisk; he died c1903. (If they followed naming conventions, it is possible George was her father Sholto's name as well)

I have no other info on Sholto and Mary Bruce other than their marriage and children. I suspect, but cannot ascertain, a connection with Charles Ayton Douglas's family.

Peigi

Oops. Peter Reid and Susan Todd's dau was Mary Wilson Reid, who married George Campbell Ross. Peter and Susan had another daughter, Elizabeth, who married John Lawson and had dau Susan and son Peter, both born in 1890's in Lanarkshire; they also emigrated to NY.