Irish Catholic parish records 

Thanks to Julie for this news:
NEARLY 400,000 Irish Catholic parish records will be made publically accessible via a new genealogy resource website due to be launched this summer.People researching their Irish family tree from all corners of the globe will be able to search the records – which date from the 1740s to the 1880s – for free, thanks to a new National Gallery of Ireland initiative.http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/significant-genealogy-project-makes...

Thanks William for informing me of this group.  I am a newbie and am still in the process of researching.  Can anyone enlighten me as to the why there are Douglas's in Ireland?  I had always assumed that our ancestry came from Scotland and that we were a borders clan.  Were Douglas's resettled from Scotland to Ireland after being defeated by the British?  Did they immigrate?  Were there always Irish Douglas's and my assumptions were incorrect?  Thanks for allowing me to be a part of this group and research my history.

Rusty

Rusty,

Douglases went the Robert the Bruce to Ireland, and probably before - but certainly since. It is not far from Scotland, after all.

See also: http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/articles/undertakers.htm

The following were subscribers to the publication: A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland By Samuel Lewis:

Charles Douglas of Devrock
Sir James Douglas of Rosebrooke, nr Dungiven
Douglas Rope Walk Company, Cork
Rev A. Douglas of Cootehill
Charles Douglass, JP, of Grace Hall

I have just added a list of Tithe Applotments (me neither) which may help with Irish research

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Lists/Tithe_Applotment.html 

Hello all,

Just checking in to thank your tireless dedication to the Douglas family in Ireland log term project. Unfortunately, I have all but given up on my quest, believing that a ''hands on' approach involving a visit to the archives within Ireland might be the only way..; other than hire a professional genealogist.. Alas, for me, neither option is feasible.

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Sorry to bear this..But better to be safe than sorry.

So far as I'm aware the other links are OK.

Happy researching.

Alison 

My grandfather Henry (Harry) Douglas had a hardware store in Burnaby Street, off Distillery Road, in Belfast. This was about 1920. My grandmother, Mina also spent some time Purdeysburn Mental Hospital. I'd be interested if any of this information prompts any ideas that could improve my knowledge of these people.

When my dad left Belfast to travel to Australia at the age of 11 the following item appeared in the “Belfast Telegraph” of Saturday, May 25, 1929. 
Overseas League Spirit
Ulster Boy for Avustralia

Wilfred Douglas, aged 11, was the guest of honour at an informal social meeting of the Overseas League on Friday afternoon.

Wilfred is the adopted son or “godchild” of the Ulster branch of the League, and his godparents are sending him to the Fairbridge Farm School, Western Australia, there to be trained to uphold the honour of the British flag and to help develop the resources of the Empire.

Wilfred sails for his new home on Monday.

Lady Katharine Hamilton, President of the League, wrote regretting her inability to be present, but she sent her godson a silver watch, which was presented to him by the Rt. Hon. H.M.Pollock.

Sir Frederick and Lady Cleaver, Lady Byers, Mrs John M’Conigal, Miss M’Connell, Mr Robert Baillie, Mrs John M’Connell, Miss Corry, and the energetic Hon. Secretary, Miss Cowan, were amongst those who attended the little ceremony in the Club’s headquarters at the Carlton.

Old News from Ireland

British Legion plays down election of UDR ex-convict 
By Seamus McKinney
25/11/08

The Royal British Legion in London has played down as a "local issue" the election of a man convicted in relation to a UVF murder.

Several members of the Coleraine branch walked out of the annual general meeting last week after former UDR member Bobby Douglas was elected branch chairman.

Douglas (62) was sentenced to 12 years in prison in for his part in the UVF murder of Samuel Patton from the Co Derry town in 1988.

Although acquitted of Mr Patton's murder, Douglas was convicted of wounding with intent.

Two other men were convicted of murder.

I publish this story because I have today been working on the family links between the Pattons and the Douglases in Holywood and Newtonards following an enquiry by Chris McCouaig.  The families are inter-linked in a number of generations with the Pattons using Douglas as a given name and the Douglases using Patton.

Research continues.

Incidentally, this is the first time that the McCouaig surmane has entered the Douglas Archives.

Extracted from the Douglas DNA discussion site:

Looking for the family of a Barnabas Douglass b. 1778 in Ireland, married a Sarah Keech and they came to Pennsylvania.  He died Mar 1,1845 at the age of 67 and is buried near Cherry Tree, PA with his wife Sarah.  They had many children and it seems there is quite the Douglass family in that area.   He is [my] 6th Great Grandfather.   A lot of information on the web seems conflicting on his ancestry

Many Douglases migrated through ireland to America...
https://www.historyscotland.com/articles/family-history/first-genet...

Just popping by to wish you all a very Happy Christmas, and a great New Year of 2018.

Thanks for all the contributions..

Keep up the good work.

Alison :)

Thank you, Alison.

I hope that you, too, have a good Christmas.

William

Douglas, in Co. Cork, was first mentioned in an inquisition on the lands of Gerald de Prendergast in 1251 - but I have only just discovered it!  I can find no connection with the Douglas family, but am awed by the early date of 1251. Just coincidence, or was there a connection with the Douglas family of modern day Lanarkshire?

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Places/douglas_cork.html

As far back as I can trace, I am related to Lieutenant James Douglass who fought as a defender in the Siege of Derry in 1689 and was killed in the first battle of Windmill Hill.  His first name is not mentioned in any records of the Siege but based on patronymics his given name would have been James and a son would have been named William.  His grandson, also named James Douglass, came to Connecticut in 1732 (I believe, I'm doing this from memory) and with him he brought the sword of his grandfather used in the Siege of Derry.  Since 1889, the sword whereabouts is now unknown.  This James Douglass married a woman named Jennett (Janet) and their first child was "William" who was born in "Antrim" Ireland (i.e. Northern Ireland).  Their remaining children were born in Connecticut/Rhode Island (they lived on the state border and the line kept changing).  I tried to see if there were any military records regarding the Siege but was told all were destroyed.  Also note the double "s" on Douglass; it was written this way until my grandfather decided to drop the second "s".  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Re: Lt. Douglas at Derry:

When they saw the enemy make an approach towards the city, they would run out with ten or twelve men and skirmish a while with them. When the besieged, who watched them closely from the walls, saw them too closely engaged, or in danger of being overpowered, they rushed out in great force to their relief, and always came off with great execution on the enemy, and with very little loss to themselves. On one of these occasions, however.

Lieutenant Douglass was taken prisoner and murdered, after quarter had been promised to him.

Andrew Douglas, captain of the Phoenix, 'a ship of Colraine' carrying 6,000 bushels of oatmeal (from Scotland?) broke the boom on the River Foyle, and thus lifted the seige of Londonderry in 1689.

His naval career could be described as 'colourful', and involved him being cashiered.

On 30 August 1691 Douglas was promoted captain of the frigate Sweepstakes in which, and afterwards in the Dover, Lion, and Harwich, he served continuously during the Nine Years' War, employed, it would appear, on the Irish and Scottish coasts, but without any opportunity for distinction.

He had with him in the Norwich and afterwards in the Arundel a youngster, by name Gallant Rose, whom he speaks of as his wife's brother, ‘whose father was captain in the army in Cromwell's time.’ He also on different occasions applied for leave to go to the north of Ireland on his own affairs, which fact would seem to imply that, notwithstanding his Scotch-sounding name, he was an Ulster Irishman.

Does anyone have a Douglas who married a Rose in their family tree?

My Andrew married a Ross not a Rose, but the time and place make sense. He was thought to have a brother who had settled in the North of Ireland and died there before the 1720's

William, can you add any information about the Irish Douglas Coat-of-Arms?  I have not seen it before.

Sorry Judy, I missed your question at the time.
I actually do not think that there is a fully matriculated Ireland coat of arms for the Douglas family.  This one was probably put together by a commercial organisation.
William

I am researching Moses Douglas, and his wife Catherine Marsden, of Kinnigoe, and came across an image of one of their sons (Rev.) William Douglas. He is described in the Methodist Magazine as 'Preacher of the Gospel', born 1771 Kinnigoe, nr. Lurgan and died 1860 at Irvinestown, Cavan.
There are further references to the family in this section.

Great pic.. Thanks for sharing William.

Well..I've finally decided to bite the proverbial 'bit' and sent away my DNA for testing..so at least that way some Douglas bloodlines should emerge; hopefully a few living cousins.

I will still be searching on ancestry.com adding to any connections along the way. The brick walls were too frustrating, and approaching the winter of my life, it seems all the more urgent, wishing to document ancestors for future generations.

Anyone here had their DNA done?

Fingers crossed.

Alison H.

This group is thought to be the Rev. S. Douglas and family, possibly a Methodist, in Ireland.
Can anyone identify them?

Reverend Archibald Douglas, A.M., (fl. 1805)

Could this be Rev. Archibald Edward Douglas (Archy) fl 1809, of Carnalloway and Outragh; rector of Cootehill, Ireland? Also Rector of Drumgoon, Ireland and Chaplain to HE Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.
Does anyone have him in their tree?

Identified as Rev. Archibald Edward (Archy) Douglas, of Carnalloway and Outragh, was:Rector at Castle Coote, County Cavan, Ireland, Rector of Drumgoon, Ireland and Chaplain to HE Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, son of Archibald Douglas, of Darnock, by his wife Mary Crosbie, dau. of Sir Paul Crosbie, 4th Bt., of Crosbie Park, co. Wicklow.

This could also be a portrait of the Reverend Archibald Douglas, fl. 1805,  but could also be a portrait of Archibald Douglas, Baron Douglas of Douglas, 1748-1827 (according to the caption)
Anyone have any opinions?

Without any information ..I can only comment..

In my opinion..A strong family resemblance between the two photos of Reverend Archibald Douglas, A.M., (fl. 1805) and the potential one you just posted..but that is the limit of my knowledge. 

I hope someone else who views these is in a better position.

William, MAYBE Stewart became Douglas , in case of Archibald 1st Baron of Douglas, and also as father died in Ireland , likely he was Ireland born/ NO France ! (more next post) one son of lady Jane Douglas and he was a Douglas and one a Sholto Stewart < I assume Archibald was born a Stewart , but granted the lands of Douglas due to his marriage to Lady Jane Douglas ?

I have in my tree 1st and 2nd Barons Archibald Douglas, not my direct though, if you scroll to left there is FATHER

 John Lord Douglas Stewart (3rd Baronet of Grandtully)

BIRTH 29 SEP 1687 • Grandtully, Dull, Perthshire, Scotland

DEATH 14 JUN 1764 • Loughgilly, Armagh, Ireland

Archibald James Edward Douglas (1st Baron Douglas of Douglas) BIRTH 10 JUL 1748 • Fauborg St Germain, Paris, Ile-de-France, France

DEATH 26 DEC 1827 • Bothwell Castle, Lanarkshire, Scotland

3rd cousin 7x removed

my tree could be wrong (more next post as limit here)

Parents

Thomas Stewart (1st Baronet of Grandtully) 1645–1715

Lady Jean Mackenzie 1661–1717

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth Mackenzie 1687–1740

Duncan Stewart 1739–1773

Walter Stewart 1739–1743

Mary Stewart 1741– 

Walter Stewart 1743–1815

Janet Stewart 1745–

James Stewart 1750–

Alexander Stewart 1754–1815

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth of, Royston, Roystoun, Midlothian, Scotland MacKenzie 1701–1777

Sir John 16th of Grandtully Stewart (4th Baronet of Grandtully)

1727–1797

Spouse & Children

Lady Jane Douglas 1698–1753

Archibald James Edward Douglas (1st Baron Douglas of Douglas)1748–1827

Sholto Thomas Stewart 1748–1753

Spouse  Helen Murray 1716–1809

relates to prior post I have in my tree 1st and 2nd Barons Archibald Douglas, not my direct though, if you scroll to left there is 

Archibald 1st Baron of Douglas profile page showing parents 

Anne McLennand-Carton was a grand-daughter of Sir Henry Douglas, a descendant of Lord Douglas (from "The State of Protestants in Ireland" under King James Government, published in London 1691. Pages 366-368). "Major William Douglas" in the list of "Men of Note" that came with King James out of France to Ireland in 1690. also from page 469 "Sir William and Lady Douglas"

 Can anyone help me fill the gaps in this story?  Who were Henry and William?

Can anyone help identify these freemen of Cork?

New Digital Church of Ireland Records Will Make Searching for Ancestors Easier

Finding out about your Church of Ireland ancestors is about to become significantly easier, as their library has been awarded a €100,000 Government grant to digitise their records.

The grant will allow the Representative Church Body (RCB) Library to digitise a huge number of records that span several centuries, in a move that will be welcomed by families in Ireland and abroad who are interested in genealogy. Most of the institution’s records are currently only available in the Braemor Park library in Churchtown, Co Dublin.

I wonder how many Douglases went with Bruce to Ireland, and stayed?  
https://www.themaparchive.com/the-bruce-invasion-131518.html 

It would be good if someone were able to pinpoint the Douglas lands on the Clan map of Ireland.

https://external-preview.redd.it/C55RsIO6W5JscNtAE3UdSIo3FE-k5cUBOw... 

The armorial on the plaque in Kilbroney Parish Church, Rostrevor, should give an indication of this family's affiliation with a specific Douglas branch.
But which one is it?
The church is writing a history and is looking for photographs and further details of those remembered on the memorials.
Can anyone throw light on this?

William, I can shed some light on this Waddell tree, but have failed to track his believed direct ancestor Robert Douglas found in references for this tree. My research takes him back indirectly to the Douglas of Grace Hall. Hope you have better luck. BTW, thanks for the update from the last info I sent on Douglas of Dervock!

Bill

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I am looking for any Douglas family members who resided in BALLYMACORMICK, a parish, partly in the barony of ARDAGH, but chiefly in that of MOYDOW, county of LONGFORD

And specifically for Raymond Dunckley Douglas, born 1893  died of pneumonia at the Burma ruby mines on December 27th, 1920, aged 27 years.

Can anyone help, please?

Hector Douglas, born Ireland about 1803, weaver, wife Sarah Nahur or Sarah Hamilton, came to Scarboro Ontario, Canada, sometime before his daughter, Sarah Jane Douglas, was born in 1839.  The only Hector Douglass I have found in Ireland dates from 1630, Muster of Raphoe as an unarmed servitor of the Earle of Annandale. 

Mervine, William M. “The Scotch Settlers in Raphoe, County Donegal, Ireland. A Contribution to Pennsylvania Genealogy.” The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, vol. 36, no. 3, 1912, pp. 257–272. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/20085598. Accessed 16 June 2020. 

Douglas of MountainLodge

I have collated my notes on the family who lived in Mountain Lodge in Darkley, Keady but am not really any clearer on how they fit into the wider Douglas family in Northern Ireland.

I am also uncertain how many Douglas families lived in Darkley.

When the house was sold up in 1924, the auction included a number of oil paintings.  I wonder if any were portraits of the family, and who might have them now?

As always, help is welcome!

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/families/douglas_of_Mountai... 

April 2001:
William Douglas, farmer, late of The Stocks, Athboy, Co Meath, left £1,119,387.

I have added a new article to the Douglas Archives, which may be relevant to some Ireland researchers -Earl's Gift, the residence of Hon. Revd Charles Douglas

It also gave me the opportunity to add some detail to the genealogy section.

His son, William Grant Douglas, RN, has always been a mystery to me in that many researchers mistake him as a son of my Rev. Charles Douglas due to the time in the Royal Navy that he lived in Portballintrae (based on all five of his children by his first wife being born there in 1852-1860) and went to the same Bushmills church as my family. For most of that time his father was in Co Tyrone and Portballintrae seems to me a backwater compared to his family. Just wondering.

Not answering your question, Richard, but I note:

Lieutenant William Grant Douglas, 'on the books' from 1st August 1853, served as a Lieutenant on Odin, a 16 gun Paddle-Wheel Steam Frigate in the Mediterreanean at the time of the Crimean War.

I assume this is the same William Grant Douglas as was on Victoria and Albert steam-yacht, Capt Lord Adolphus FitzClarence. The V&A was the Royal Yacht, and FitzClarence was the illegitimate child of Prince William, Duke of Clarence (later William IV) and his mistress, Dorothy Jordan.

His cousin, Rear Admiral Hon George Henry Douglas, son of George Sholto (17th Earl of Morton) Douglas was also on the V&A, in 1844. I think he might have been a lowly Lieutenant at the time.

Think there is a mistake on HMS Odin in the Med for the Crimean War; RN references to it in the War place it in the Balkans 1854-55. By the way, Bessie Henrietta Douglas was born 12 Oct 1852, William Sholto Douglas was born 18 Dec 1854 (d. Jul 1855), Adalaide Charlotte Douglas was born 30 Jan 1856, Mary Louisa Douglas was born 1858, Margaret Caroline Douglas was born 1860 all in Co Antrim, Ireland. Maud Isabel Gore Douglas was born 1869, daughter of 2nd marriage. First wife died 1865. Firm birth dates are from the church records in Bushmills.

Re the Odin:

The Crimean War was a military conflict fought from October 1853 to February 1856, as you will know. The war started in the Balkans in July 1853, when Russian troops occupied Wallachia and Moldavia (modern Romania) which led to Turkey declaring war supported by Britain and France. The Ottoman and Russian armies first faced each other across the Danube and British and French forces joined them at the Black Sea port of Varna. The Russian siege of Silistra formed the focus of the campaign until the Russians withdrew in the face of mounting pressure from other European states including Austria and Prussia. The campaign then shifted to the Crimea. 

I think that the supply chain for the troops on the Crimean peninsular involved shipping war provisions from Varna and other ports, presumable escorted by the Royal Navy.

Varna was the main base for the British and French Army on the western side of the Black Sea. The conditions were bad and many died from cholera and dysentery.

This portrait is held in the National Gallery of Ireland where it is cataloged as 'Reverend Archibald Douglas, Father of Emily Douglas, Viscountess Russborough'.

I suggest that Rev. Archibald Douglas is the brother of Emily, Countess of Milltown and not as described.  They were the children of Archibald Douglas, of Darnock, by his wife Mary Crosbie, dau. of Sir Paul Crosbie, 4th Bt., of Crosbie Park, co. Wicklow.
Archibald married Mary Elizabeth Crosbie, daughter of Sir Paul Crosbie (4th Bt),  who died in November 1773
Rev. Archibald Edward (Archy) Douglas, of Carnalloway and Outragh, was:Rector at Castle Coote, County Cavan, Ireland, Rector of Drumgoon, Ireland and Chaplain to HE Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

Sir Paul Crosbie, 4th Bart, was the man whose mechanical mind is credited with inspiring his younger son Richard to become Ireland's first baloonist. On 21st December 1750, he married Mary Daniel, daughter of Edward Daniell (1687 - 1746) of Freadsom, Cheshire, and sister of John Daniell, last owner of Daresbury Hall. Mary died in Bath. Sir Paul died in November 1773, leaving two sons, Sir Edward Crosbie, 5th Bart, and Richard [the balloonist], and three daughters, Mary who married Archibald Douglas of Darnock [a cousin of the Marquess of Queensbury], Dorothea who married M. Bossier and Henrietta who married John Walsh Esq and died, aged 70, on 14th March 1828. (She left a son, Henry Walsh, who died aged 60 on Sep 27 1847).

Writing 44 years after infamous duel in 1798 between Sir Edward Crosbie and ‘Young Burton’, son of William Henry Burton of Burton Hall, MP for Carlow from 1769-1800 and the most influential man in the county. Sir Edward Crosbie’s nephew, the Rev Archibald Douglas gave an account of the duel’s immediate aftermath which some hold to be ‘unlikely and, in part, manifestly untrue’. His version read: ‘After an exchange of shots, Mr Burton came forward and said: ‘Sir Edward, I was in the wrong and ask your pardon’. When Mr Burton [later] heard that Sir Edward had been hung during the night before by Irish Light [?] at Carlow, he said, well you have murdered the best and most honourable man in the county, he became quickly excited and took up a small pistol, went to the back of the house to a small plantation and shot himself. His duel with Sir Edward Crosbie was not political as both were moderate and high [?] of the school of Flood and Grattan’.

George Edward Douglas, born in Ireland, was the Master of St Marylebone Workhouse, Northumberland St, St Marylebone, London in 1881. He died 24th June 1900 (possibly aged 68).

His wife Ann Elizabeth, bc 1838 in Oxford, was Matron Of The Workhouse. She died April 21st 1898, aged 58 years.

There were 1532 residents in the workhouse at the time of the 1881 census. George and Ann were Master and Matron for 32 years. During this period, and particularly following the Metropolitan Houseless Poor Acts of 1864 and 1865, significant improvements were made to the workhouse.

It is perhaps significant that, unlike many masters of the time who were recruited from the harsh worlds of the army or the prisons, Douglas had worked his way up through the posts of storekeeper and master’s clerk in the institution before this promotion. With the appointment of an enlightened master, Marylebone workhouse began to lose a longstanding reputation for harsh discipline and even savagery.

I have several men named George Edward Douglas, all about this time.  Indeed, George had a son also named George Edward Douglas.

Does anyone have him in their tree?

Does anyone connect to this family?  In particular, Samuel?

There are several places called Lissan in Co Tyrone. One is a townland in Drumragh parish. There are no Douglas households in it in Griffiths Valuation (1859) or in the 1901 census, so perhaps it's not the one your family came from. Then there is a parish called Lissan which also has a townland of Lissan within it. The only Douglas household in Lissan parish in Griffiths is that of a Samuel Douglas who, in 1858 was renting a house, offices (outbuildings), a garden and 5 acres of land (plot 39 on Griffiths) in Dunmore townland. The property today is to the east of the B162 Feegarron Rd, just north of Dunmore Lane. No Douglas household in Dunmore in 1901, so presumably the family had gone by then.
 
There’s a birth for a John Charles Douglas registered Apr – Jun 1886 Cookstown, Volume 1, page 489, which is the only John Douglas b in the 1880s in the Lissan parish area that I can see in the Irish civil registration indexes.