I have just been looking at the excellent website The Connacht and Munster Landed Estates, and come across this entry:

The Nicholsons received grants of land in Sligo under the Acts of Settlement and one of them became High Sherrif of Sligo in 1671. In 1675 Edward Nicholson, described as of Cummin or Knocknaray, served as High Sheriff of Leitrim. The Nicholson estate extended in to the Barony of Leyny, covering part of the parish of Achonry. This estate was sold in the Landed Estates court in 1876 on behalf of Agnes Mary Nicholason, an infant. McTernan states that the Gethin family were the purchasers and they in turn leased it to several other parties. There were also legal proceedings within the family due to loans and mortgages. Two granddaughters of James Nicholson (d.1810), Emily and Harriett Douglas, were married to Adam Mossman and Thomas White, who also held land in Sligo. Adam Mossman was a Liverpool merchant. Various members of the Mossman family, who were married into the Nicholason family, held c.1000 acres in County Sligo in 1876. In November 1865 James C. Whyte Douglas offered lands at Luffertan, Woodpark and fishing rights at Culleenduff for sale in the Landed Estates Court. The original leases were between James Nicholson and the Earl of Erne's estate. George W. Douglas was still the owner of 70 acres at Culleenduff, in the 1870s.

Can anyone identify these Douglases?

There is a brief reference in "The geographical distribution of Irish ability" to a George Alexander Douglas from Roscommon, Ireland, who held a high offical appointment in Kingston, Jamaica. It does not say when he arrived there, how long he was there or if he and any of his family died out there which is what I am trying to find out.

GAD was the father ofMajor General Henry Edward Manning DouglasVC, CB, CMG, DSO (11 July 1875–14 February 1939), a recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. 

Does anyone have these in their family tree?

Re: James C. Whyte Douglas 

I have just received the following information:

Pour une association généalogique en Bretagne, je suis en train d'étudier l'ouvrage du pasteur E.W.L. DAVIES "Wolf-hunting and wild sport in lower Britanny". Dans ce livre apparaît un nommé "Shafto" qui est en fait James-Charles WHYTE DOUGLAS. Voici sa généalogie :
- James-Charles WHYTE DOUGLAS
°29/11/1819 Cluden Bank, Holywood, Dumfries (Scotland)
son of Thomas WHYTE (+12/5/1861) and Emily-Olivia DOUGLAS (+6/2/1838).
He lived in Laz (Finistère, Britanny, France)
He died 3/4/1885 at Huelgoat (Finistère, Britanny, France)
He married 31/8/1885 at Belle-Isle-en-Terre (Côtes-d'Armor, Britanny, France)
with
- Mathurine MOY (not MOYA)°8/3/1825 at Langast (Côtes-d'Armor, Britanny, France), daughter of Julien MOY and Françoise GROSVALET.
They have got 2 children :
- George-Marie MOY DOUGLAS (sic) °12/11/1849 at Plouguenast (Côtes-d'Armor, Britanny, France)
- Helène-Rosalie-Marie WHYTE DOUGLAS °4/9/1851 at Plouguenast (Côtes-d'Armor, Britanny, France), she married 20/2/1875 )at Belle-Isle-en-Terre (Côtes-d'Armor, Britanny, France)with Nathaniel KEMP.

Ireland's Military Archives have been made available online for the first time. By March it plans to publish the Bureau of Military History Collection 1913 to 1921.

The Archives, which are held in Cathal Brugha Barracks in Rathmines in Dublin, can now be accessed via a new website - militaryarchives.ie. A quick visit to the site did not imediaely make it clear how one is supposed to search the site, but perhaps that will become clearer in March.

The site has been launched in conjunction with the National Archives of Ireland, and is designed to appeal to historians, genealogists and members of the public researching their family tree.

By March, it plans to publish the Bureau of Military History Collection 1913 to 1921, online, including 36,000 pages of witness statements, digitised and fully word searchable.

This will be followed by the first release of the Military Service Pensions Project - material which the Defence Forces say "will provide a major and never before seen insight into the 1916 Rising and the War of Independence in particluar".

Many researchers confuse the Military Archives as a place of deposit for the records of all Irish people who have served in other armed forces. In fact, the Military Archives holds only the personnel records of those who served in the military of the Irish Free State from 1922 to the late 1970's, as well as material pertaining to the Irish Volunteers and the Independence movement, 1913-1921. Information about British Army records, including those for the Irish regiments, can be obtained at The National Archives of England at Kew in London.

What Happened to the Douglass clan and why does it seam we dissapeared?

William Douglass has 2 esses in his name . Why do many archives only show 1 ess?

I am not sure, but Frederick Douglass was a black man.  Do we have a lot of ancesters that were Black?

Fred,

Welcome to our group.

I am not sure which William Douglass , or Douglas, you are referring to, but there is no historical difference between one and two 'esses'.  Names were often written down by official recorders who did not know whether there should be one or two, and once people learned how to read and write, they adopted whatever had been written. This older Douglass families may have used Douglas.

Yours aye,

William

I do not think that Frederick Douglas had any known Irish ancestors? (This is an Irish forum).

You can read about him here: http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/frederickdouglass.htm 

Although one branch of the Douglas family are 'Black Douglases', this does not refer to skin colour, just as the 'Red Douglas' branch are not red.

The Douglas Clan has not disappeared!

You can read about the head of the clan (or lack of)  here: http://douglashistory.ning.com/profiles/blogs/head-of-the-clan-a-de...

My Gt Grandfather was Aaron Douglas ( abt 1838-1901) who'd emigrated to Melbourne Australia from Ireland 2 February 1858 age 20

and shortly thereafter married Rose Coffey b. 1837 from Beauparc and Yellow Furze, Meath Ireland, Arrival Melbourne 23 July 1859 Age 22.

I have obtained their marriage certificate, (attached) which lists Aaron's father as George Douglas and mother, Mary Sweeny. Aaron%20Douglas%20Marriage%2018081865.pdf

They were also Catholic..And so far, I've found a George Douglas,

 in Griffiths 1854 in the Parish of Rathcore, Townland of Rahinstown, County Meath. Poor Law Union of Trim (the Union would cover an area with towns/villages/parish's in a 12 mi. radius)Tenant of Robert Fowler.

Richard Douglas land 21 acres 3 roods 7 perches - no house so he must live elsewhere*
#2a George Douglas, house, outbuildings and land 118.0.37
this is a significant size property for the time, the rental per year would of been quite high, I don't see any renters/occupiers providing him with an income.

*Richard Douglas, Parish Athboy, Stocks Townland tenant of the Earl of Darnley, PLU Trim. property house, outbuildings and 5a 202.2.23 another extremely large property as the average person would have maybe 20- acres.

There were 18 Douglas occupiers in Meath at this time 1854 none were Aaron (he may have still been living with his father and helping run the farm but not have property in his own name, he may have not been the oldest son and chose to go to Aust. to make his own fortune? However, this is just at the end of one of the worst Famines in Irish History)

Directories for other Douglases in Ireland (below):

1881 & 1898

Daniel Douglas, Stocks, Athboy, Trim, farmer he is listed under farmer but also under Nobility, Gentry & Clergy, he isn't nobility-no title nor Clergy ie Rev.therefore part of the Gentry/Esquire class as noted above who have land that is rented out for income.
1894:
Daniel Douglas, Cherryvalley, farmer
Richard Douglas, Rathmoylan, farmer
William Douglas, Isaacstown, farmer

I'm fairly new to this, and feel like I've hot a brick wall, so if anyone has any leads of further information I'd be extremely grateful :)

My Douglass line in Joesph Douglass and Mary Orr Burgess Both born in Cork Ireland late moved to Scotland. Joesph was a Convict sent to Australia on the Baring. I have been looking for about 9 years with no luck. So i am doing DNA soon. all info is on this site....http://members.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/douglass/index.htm

Good luck Tammie! Please let us know how it goes with your DNA results..I am fascinated..Have you tried Scotandspeople.gov.uk in any of your searches to date, or Findmypast.co.uk ? Are you on any of the main sites like Ancestry.com.au? I'm about to pay for a subscription and will take a look for you in Australia. I am also 'stuck' with my other Scottish side, McFarlane, but won't give up...Hopefully paying as I go with Scotand's people, I'll have some success before long. 

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The earliest record for our branch of the Douglas family  in Co Wicklow is the baptism of William Douglas in 1779. I dont know when we came to this area or why we came here.

Sarah,

How the Douglases came to be in Co. Wicklow in the 18th century, I dont know, but the Scots settled in Ireland as Undertakers part of the Plantation of Ulster, and William's family may be descended from them.

Research on the Douglases in Wicklow seems thin, espcialy in and around 1779, but there are a couple of interesting threads on later members of the family:

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.ireland.wic.general... 

http://boards.ancestry.com.au/localities.britisles.ireland.wic.gene... 

Happy hunting!

Freemen of the City of Cork

Douglass Alexander Goldsmith 9/11/1770
Douglass James Esquire
Douglass William Col. 97th Regt. now in Cork. (1817)

Some resources:

http://derry.rootsireland.ie/
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/index.htm

http://www.igp-web.com/derry/index.htm
http://www.ancestryireland.com/
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nirldy/derrymr.html

http://www.ulsterheritage.com/forrest/derrybook.htm
http://www.findmypast.com.au/search?region=australasia&sourceca...

Apparently some pay to view sites are free in a public library.

Another resource:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?nam...

Douglasland, Co Antrim, Northern Ireland - wonder how and when it got its name?

I received a couple of messages overnight which did not contain email addresses for a response.

1. Lurgan ancestry: family home donard view milltown roadoutside lurgan but family may have been from kinnego townland

2. a big family of douglases lived in kinnego at lough neagh moses douglas born 1740 had alot of sons one was called john the sons married and moved on its probably the same family. moses married hillary marsden and some marsdens still live in lurgan

Can anyone tell me more?

Just saying hello, I'm part of a Douglas family from Ireland. Sadly not much is known about our history as, in honesty, I was always too young to be interested. Now I am older I am starting to get interested in the Douglas history. 

The little I do know. My Mother and siblings were born into the family of James Hill Douglas and Anne Douglas. They lived in Sydenham in East Belfast. James was a local mechanic, although not professionally trained, people would come from all over Belfast to have him work on their car. His job, from what I recall, was in the Steelworks in Belfast called Sirrocco. 

Sadly that is pretty much all I knew about this side of the family. 

 Irish Catholic parish records 

Thanks to Julie for this news:
NEARLY 400,000 Irish Catholic parish records will be made publically accessible via a new genealogy resource website due to be launched this summer.People researching their Irish family tree from all corners of the globe will be able to search the records – which date from the 1740s to the 1880s – for free, thanks to a new National Gallery of Ireland initiative.http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/significant-genealogy-project-makes...

Thanks William for informing me of this group.  I am a newbie and am still in the process of researching.  Can anyone enlighten me as to the why there are Douglas's in Ireland?  I had always assumed that our ancestry came from Scotland and that we were a borders clan.  Were Douglas's resettled from Scotland to Ireland after being defeated by the British?  Did they immigrate?  Were there always Irish Douglas's and my assumptions were incorrect?  Thanks for allowing me to be a part of this group and research my history.

Rusty

Rusty,

Douglases went the Robert the Bruce to Ireland, and probably before - but certainly since. It is not far from Scotland, after all.

See also: http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/articles/undertakers.htm

The following were subscribers to the publication: A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland By Samuel Lewis:

Charles Douglas of Devrock
Sir James Douglas of Rosebrooke, nr Dungiven
Douglas Rope Walk Company, Cork
Rev A. Douglas of Cootehill
Charles Douglass, JP, of Grace Hall

I have just added a list of Tithe Applotments (me neither) which may help with Irish research

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Lists/Tithe_Applotment.html 

Hello all,

Just checking in to thank your tireless dedication to the Douglas family in Ireland log term project. Unfortunately, I have all but given up on my quest, believing that a ''hands on' approach involving a visit to the archives within Ireland might be the only way..; other than hire a professional genealogist.. Alas, for me, neither option is feasible.

I would like to caution users that the link(below), to the Irish post contained the following warning from my antiviral software:

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Just keeping you in the loop.

Sorry to bear this..But better to be safe than sorry.

So far as I'm aware the other links are OK.

Happy researching.

Alison 

My grandfather Henry (Harry) Douglas had a hardware store in Burnaby Street, off Distillery Road, in Belfast. This was about 1920. My grandmother, Mina also spent some time Purdeysburn Mental Hospital. I'd be interested if any of this information prompts any ideas that could improve my knowledge of these people.

When my dad left Belfast to travel to Australia at the age of 11 the following item appeared in the “Belfast Telegraph” of Saturday, May 25, 1929. 
Overseas League Spirit
Ulster Boy for Avustralia

Wilfred Douglas, aged 11, was the guest of honour at an informal social meeting of the Overseas League on Friday afternoon.

Wilfred is the adopted son or “godchild” of the Ulster branch of the League, and his godparents are sending him to the Fairbridge Farm School, Western Australia, there to be trained to uphold the honour of the British flag and to help develop the resources of the Empire.

Wilfred sails for his new home on Monday.

Lady Katharine Hamilton, President of the League, wrote regretting her inability to be present, but she sent her godson a silver watch, which was presented to him by the Rt. Hon. H.M.Pollock.

Sir Frederick and Lady Cleaver, Lady Byers, Mrs John M’Conigal, Miss M’Connell, Mr Robert Baillie, Mrs John M’Connell, Miss Corry, and the energetic Hon. Secretary, Miss Cowan, were amongst those who attended the little ceremony in the Club’s headquarters at the Carlton.

Old News from Ireland

British Legion plays down election of UDR ex-convict 
By Seamus McKinney
25/11/08

The Royal British Legion in London has played down as a "local issue" the election of a man convicted in relation to a UVF murder.

Several members of the Coleraine branch walked out of the annual general meeting last week after former UDR member Bobby Douglas was elected branch chairman.

Douglas (62) was sentenced to 12 years in prison in for his part in the UVF murder of Samuel Patton from the Co Derry town in 1988.

Although acquitted of Mr Patton's murder, Douglas was convicted of wounding with intent.

Two other men were convicted of murder.

I publish this story because I have today been working on the family links between the Pattons and the Douglases in Holywood and Newtonards following an enquiry by Chris McCouaig.  The families are inter-linked in a number of generations with the Pattons using Douglas as a given name and the Douglases using Patton.

Research continues.

Incidentally, this is the first time that the McCouaig surmane has entered the Douglas Archives.

Extracted from the Douglas DNA discussion site:

Looking for the family of a Barnabas Douglass b. 1778 in Ireland, married a Sarah Keech and they came to Pennsylvania.  He died Mar 1,1845 at the age of 67 and is buried near Cherry Tree, PA with his wife Sarah.  They had many children and it seems there is quite the Douglass family in that area.   He is [my] 6th Great Grandfather.   A lot of information on the web seems conflicting on his ancestry

Many Douglases migrated through ireland to America...
https://www.historyscotland.com/articles/family-history/first-genet...

Just popping by to wish you all a very Happy Christmas, and a great New Year of 2018.

Thanks for all the contributions..

Keep up the good work.

Alison :)

Thank you, Alison.

I hope that you, too, have a good Christmas.

William

Douglas, in Co. Cork, was first mentioned in an inquisition on the lands of Gerald de Prendergast in 1251 - but I have only just discovered it!  I can find no connection with the Douglas family, but am awed by the early date of 1251. Just coincidence, or was there a connection with the Douglas family of modern day Lanarkshire?

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Places/douglas_cork.html

As far back as I can trace, I am related to Lieutenant James Douglass who fought as a defender in the Siege of Derry in 1689 and was killed in the first battle of Windmill Hill.  His first name is not mentioned in any records of the Siege but based on patronymics his given name would have been James and a son would have been named William.  His grandson, also named James Douglass, came to Connecticut in 1732 (I believe, I'm doing this from memory) and with him he brought the sword of his grandfather used in the Siege of Derry.  Since 1889, the sword whereabouts is now unknown.  This James Douglass married a woman named Jennett (Janet) and their first child was "William" who was born in "Antrim" Ireland (i.e. Northern Ireland).  Their remaining children were born in Connecticut/Rhode Island (they lived on the state border and the line kept changing).  I tried to see if there were any military records regarding the Siege but was told all were destroyed.  Also note the double "s" on Douglass; it was written this way until my grandfather decided to drop the second "s".  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Re: Lt. Douglas at Derry:

When they saw the enemy make an approach towards the city, they would run out with ten or twelve men and skirmish a while with them. When the besieged, who watched them closely from the walls, saw them too closely engaged, or in danger of being overpowered, they rushed out in great force to their relief, and always came off with great execution on the enemy, and with very little loss to themselves. On one of these occasions, however.

Lieutenant Douglass was taken prisoner and murdered, after quarter had been promised to him.

Andrew Douglas, captain of the Phoenix, 'a ship of Colraine' carrying 6,000 bushels of oatmeal (from Scotland?) broke the boom on the River Foyle, and thus lifted the seige of Londonderry in 1689.

His naval career could be described as 'colourful', and involved him being cashiered.

On 30 August 1691 Douglas was promoted captain of the frigate Sweepstakes in which, and afterwards in the Dover, Lion, and Harwich, he served continuously during the Nine Years' War, employed, it would appear, on the Irish and Scottish coasts, but without any opportunity for distinction.

He had with him in the Norwich and afterwards in the Arundel a youngster, by name Gallant Rose, whom he speaks of as his wife's brother, ‘whose father was captain in the army in Cromwell's time.’ He also on different occasions applied for leave to go to the north of Ireland on his own affairs, which fact would seem to imply that, notwithstanding his Scotch-sounding name, he was an Ulster Irishman.

Does anyone have a Douglas who married a Rose in their family tree?

My Andrew married a Ross not a Rose, but the time and place make sense. He was thought to have a brother who had settled in the North of Ireland and died there before the 1720's

William, can you add any information about the Irish Douglas Coat-of-Arms?  I have not seen it before.

Sorry Judy, I missed your question at the time.
I actually do not think that there is a fully matriculated Ireland coat of arms for the Douglas family.  This one was probably put together by a commercial organisation.
William

I am researching Moses Douglas, and his wife Catherine Marsden, of Kinnigoe, and came across an image of one of their sons (Rev.) William Douglas. He is described in the Methodist Magazine as 'Preacher of the Gospel', born 1771 Kinnigoe, nr. Lurgan and died 1860 at Irvinestown, Cavan.
There are further references to the family in this section.

Great pic.. Thanks for sharing William.

Well..I've finally decided to bite the proverbial 'bit' and sent away my DNA for testing..so at least that way some Douglas bloodlines should emerge; hopefully a few living cousins.

I will still be searching on ancestry.com adding to any connections along the way. The brick walls were too frustrating, and approaching the winter of my life, it seems all the more urgent, wishing to document ancestors for future generations.

Anyone here had their DNA done?

Fingers crossed.

Alison H.

This group is thought to be the Rev. S. Douglas and family, possibly a Methodist, in Ireland.
Can anyone identify them?

Reverend Archibald Douglas, A.M., (fl. 1805)

Could this be Rev. Archibald Edward Douglas (Archy) fl 1809, of Carnalloway and Outragh; rector of Cootehill, Ireland? Also Rector of Drumgoon, Ireland and Chaplain to HE Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.
Does anyone have him in their tree?

Identified as Rev. Archibald Edward (Archy) Douglas, of Carnalloway and Outragh, was:Rector at Castle Coote, County Cavan, Ireland, Rector of Drumgoon, Ireland and Chaplain to HE Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, son of Archibald Douglas, of Darnock, by his wife Mary Crosbie, dau. of Sir Paul Crosbie, 4th Bt., of Crosbie Park, co. Wicklow.

This could also be a portrait of the Reverend Archibald Douglas, fl. 1805,  but could also be a portrait of Archibald Douglas, Baron Douglas of Douglas, 1748-1827 (according to the caption)
Anyone have any opinions?

Without any information ..I can only comment..

In my opinion..A strong family resemblance between the two photos of Reverend Archibald Douglas, A.M., (fl. 1805) and the potential one you just posted..but that is the limit of my knowledge. 

I hope someone else who views these is in a better position.

William, MAYBE Stewart became Douglas , in case of Archibald 1st Baron of Douglas, and also as father died in Ireland , likely he was Ireland born/ NO France ! (more next post) one son of lady Jane Douglas and he was a Douglas and one a Sholto Stewart < I assume Archibald was born a Stewart , but granted the lands of Douglas due to his marriage to Lady Jane Douglas ?

I have in my tree 1st and 2nd Barons Archibald Douglas, not my direct though, if you scroll to left there is FATHER

 John Lord Douglas Stewart (3rd Baronet of Grandtully)

BIRTH 29 SEP 1687 • Grandtully, Dull, Perthshire, Scotland

DEATH 14 JUN 1764 • Loughgilly, Armagh, Ireland

Archibald James Edward Douglas (1st Baron Douglas of Douglas) BIRTH 10 JUL 1748 • Fauborg St Germain, Paris, Ile-de-France, France

DEATH 26 DEC 1827 • Bothwell Castle, Lanarkshire, Scotland

3rd cousin 7x removed

my tree could be wrong (more next post as limit here)

Parents

Thomas Stewart (1st Baronet of Grandtully) 1645–1715

Lady Jean Mackenzie 1661–1717

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth Mackenzie 1687–1740

Duncan Stewart 1739–1773

Walter Stewart 1739–1743

Mary Stewart 1741– 

Walter Stewart 1743–1815

Janet Stewart 1745–

James Stewart 1750–

Alexander Stewart 1754–1815

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth of, Royston, Roystoun, Midlothian, Scotland MacKenzie 1701–1777

Sir John 16th of Grandtully Stewart (4th Baronet of Grandtully)

1727–1797

Spouse & Children

Lady Jane Douglas 1698–1753

Archibald James Edward Douglas (1st Baron Douglas of Douglas)1748–1827

Sholto Thomas Stewart 1748–1753

Spouse  Helen Murray 1716–1809

relates to prior post I have in my tree 1st and 2nd Barons Archibald Douglas, not my direct though, if you scroll to left there is 

Archibald 1st Baron of Douglas profile page showing parents