I am trying to contact Maurice Hart Douglas, if you are in touch with him, is it possible for him to contact me on charlottepaton@onetel.com regarding his late father. Any help would be much appreciated.
William - Thank you for the welcome note and for the follow up question on Joseph Douglass from Mecklenburg Co., NC., whose was in the NC House of Commons. I don't believe the Joseph Douglass we are trying to trace is the same person. Their dates of birth are within 3 years of each other but our Joseph lived until 1843 and died in Sumpter Co., GA. There may be a family connection here but I can not document it at this time. I will keep searching the extensive "The Douglas Archieves" for other known relatives to see possible connections. Hopefully there is a connection out there. Best regards, Bill Dolezal
I am a silent member of the Douglas group on FTDNA and I listen to the chatter every day!! It was through the list that I came to your groups/site. My Kit no. is 153271.
I have a direct line of Scottish Mortons back to 1711 but haven't done any research for a few months. I was brought up as a "Douglas" - still wearing my father's kilt and my grandfather's sporran!!
My interest lies in making a direct link to the Douglases. I wonder if my GEDCOM file would be of any interest to anyone.
They were Stutt, sometimes, spelled Stot, or Stoch;and were granted a castle in the valley of the Loire as a retribution of their fights for the King of France. Within the end of the XIX century, a genealogisit worked on the archives of the family, wend to the national archives, and traced the family up to Walter Stutt. Unluckily the familial archives burnt in 1968. But they a recorded in the genealogy.
Walter is supposed to come from Roxburgh. His full name may have been Walter Stutt de Laggan. The Laggan part was not kept by his son Thomas when he was naturalized by king Louis XI in 1474. Walter may have been named Stutt and come from from a place called Laggan. His crest was a heart that the family always called the heart of Douglas. This does not bring facts much into light. The fact is that he became "archer de la garde écossaise" for King Charles VII, And Thomas after him for Louis XI.
Walter Is said to have married Elisabth de Herries, daughter of Jean (John) de Herries de Jerreagles and of Jeanne de Bruce de Clackmann. I Doubt that we can establish a sure lieage after so much time. I am interested in knowing more about the circumstancesof the departure of the scots to France, and, possibly, the links of the Stutt with the clan Douglas, their situation and position in that period. If nothing is to be found about the Stutt, I shall have to study the history of Roxburgh and area, a far and distant place from the valley of the Loire.
I really don't know. I do note that there are several Douglas males with the middle name Primrose. I have been trying for sometime to determine the reason for this. Does it denote a connection with the "Primrose" clan at some stage? Primrose as a first name for a male is very rare indeed.
Yes, I believe Rev Neil Douglas is my 5 times great grandfather, his daughter Jean, married into the Robertson line of my family. The Rev Neil seems like an interesting and somewhat controversial character of his time. In calling the house of commons a "den of thieves" i notice that not much has changed in 200 years in that respect!
Nothing new there. I spoke to my aunt againt this evening. They lived in Ireland for a few years about 40 years ago. As I said my uncle did research the connection, reading through huge piles of books. He didn't find it, but my aunt did when reading a book picked by random. Unfortunately they ended up in an argument. No notes where made, and they had to retur the books short after this because they where moving back to Norway.
So - we can assume the link is documented somewhere. We just have to look at the right place :-) But I really don't know where to start. The only information I do have is a family tree chart made by my uncle stating that this William Douglas came from the Dundee area and was born around 1940.
Thank you. I have sent a friend request to Jens Wagner-Douglas. William Douglas who died in Schippenbeil in 1711 (my 7x grandfather) is at this point a dead end for me. And it is annoying me :-) My uncle (now dead) has allways claimed that we are decendants from the Black Douglas', but I have no proof or documentation. I will try to get my hands on his notes from years of researching our ancestors.
I think i confused you like I do myself at times..lol My father was Robert Kenneth his father my grandfather was Donlad Roy Clarence Douglas was born Dec 15, 1885 in Markham Townshil, york, Ontario. My great Grandfather was kenneth Douglas born in 1859 in Ontario. His mother my great Grandmother was Alice Amelia (Dennison) They married on Oct 31, 1883. My Great Great Grandfather was Donald Douglas and his wife Elizabeth (Jackson). I know my Great Grandfather Kenneth came from a family of many and also that he was married twice. As far as I know we only had the 1 s in our last name.
My father was Robert Kenneth Douglas, he was born here in the states. His father was Donald Roy Clarence born Dec. 15, 1885 in Markham Township, York, Ontario. His father was Kenneth Douglas and mother Alice Amelia (Dinnison) They were married Oct. 31, 1883 at Unioncville, Ontario. I have been told that Alice died young at 32 and Kenneth remarried but we do not know who to and if their were any children. Kenneth's father is Donald Douglas married to Elizabeth (Jackson). I know they had brothers and maybe a sister not sure. Any information would be great. Is believed that is Donald who came from Scotland.
My Great Grandfather James Douglas married a Hess from Germany, and they named My grandfather George Charles Hess Douglas. Most everyone called my grandfather Charlie. I am trying to get my dad to do the DNA testing so we can see which line of Douglas he is branched off.
The family line gets sort of blurry before my great grandfather. My dad Lowell Astor Douglas, he has a genealogy list he is going to try to get me, and I'll try to post it on this site after I rework it. There were 9 children on my grandfather’s side. --Rene'
Hi William, yes its the same me...I couldn't get into the page so i opened a new one. I have had no luck at all With finding Joesph Douglass family in Scotland or Ireland. So i have found a 5th cousin Male to do the DNA test for me. Just need to get to his place about 5 hrs ago to do the test. Should be soon....I will let you know the out come
Thanks William. I haven't done much on the Morton/Douglas connection in my family yet but I am getting there. I am finishing research into my father's family (Clan Maxwell) then I will research for possible Douglas connection.
Thank you so much William. Thanks to you and this site I've managed to trace as far back as Thomas Douglas (Abt 1776-Bef 1855), married to Oliver(F) Young(Abt 1776-1855)..There's irony every turn made in this complex, investigation of my father (Keith John McFarlane1910-1996) born in Carlton Victoria Australia whose mother, my grandmother was Emily Elizabeth Douglas (1886-1954) especially since now finding Isabella, (Abt 1824-1856) herself a Douglas, and married to a William Douglas, a seperate line for whom as yet I have no information.
I now need to research William Douglas, Isabella's spouse, but have no dates other than his wife was Isabella (circa 1824-1856) to go by. I must admit I'm a little shocked finding one Douglas marrying another..I hope they weren't too closely related!..lol...Much more to go!
Oops. Peter Reid and Susan Todd's dau was Mary Wilson Reid, who married George Campbell Ross. Peter and Susan had another daughter, Elizabeth, who married John Lawson and had dau Susan and son Peter, both born in 1890's in Lanarkshire; they also emigrated to NY.
I read your response about William Sholto Douglas, born 1856 Blairgowrie, which prompted me to write.
Most of my info is on old computer, waiting for transfer. Here goes, though, what I do have handy:
If this is correct marriage, Robert Douglas and Mary Black were married 4 jul 1813, Crailing. What I do know is their daughter Elizabeth married Matthew Todd. Matthew and Elizabeth's daughter Susan married Peter Reid; their daughter Mary Wright Reid married George Campbell Ross. This line of the family moved to Lanarkshire; later some emigrated to NY in early 1900's (shipfitters).
Robert appears to be the son of a Sholto Douglass and Mary Bruce, married jul 1782 in Auchtermuchty. One of Sholto and Mary's sons is John Douglass, chr 9 mar 1783 Auchtermuchty, married Agnes McAndrew; their son Sholto is the father of the William Sholto Douglas born 1856 Blairgowrie, that went to NZ and became editor of the New Zealand Herald.
Jean, a daughter of Sholto and Mary Bruce, married William Johnston of Lathrisk, son of David Johnston Esq; their marriage is noted in Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine 1819: "At Edinburgh, William Johnston, squire of Lathrisk and Bavelaw to mistress Jean Douglas, youngest daughter of Mr Sholto Douglas"; as is the birth in 1820, and death in 1828, of their first-born son David. Their second born son George inherited Lathrisk; he died c1903. (If they followed naming conventions, it is possible George was her father Sholto's name as well)
I have no other info on Sholto and Mary Bruce other than their marriage and children. I suspect, but cannot ascertain, a connection with Charles Ayton Douglas's family.
William : First found this site: David Andrew Douglas:States Orange McClain Douglas: b: 6 March 1848 in Indiana USA was his GREAT GRANDDAD:he was the father of my Granbdfather: William Henry Douglas: Ihave found little informatiom relave to Orang McClain Douglas:
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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I am trying to contact Maurice Hart Douglas, if you are in touch with him, is it possible for him to contact me on charlottepaton@onetel.com regarding his late father. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Charlotte Paton
Charloote Paton
William - Thank you for the welcome note and for the follow up question on Joseph Douglass from Mecklenburg Co., NC., whose was in the NC House of Commons. I don't believe the Joseph Douglass we are trying to trace is the same person. Their dates of birth are within 3 years of each other but our Joseph lived until 1843 and died in Sumpter Co., GA. There may be a family connection here but I can not document it at this time. I will keep searching the extensive "The Douglas Archieves" for other known relatives to see possible connections. Hopefully there is a connection out there. Best regards, Bill Dolezal
Hi William
I am a silent member of the Douglas group on FTDNA and I listen to the chatter every day!! It was through the list that I came to your groups/site. My Kit no. is 153271.
I have a direct line of Scottish Mortons back to 1711 but haven't done any research for a few months. I was brought up as a "Douglas" - still wearing my father's kilt and my grandfather's sporran!!
My interest lies in making a direct link to the Douglases. I wonder if my GEDCOM file would be of any interest to anyone.
Thank you; William, for your e-mail.
It's McClune (F11586)
Dear William
Is it possible that my ggg grandfather, William's parents were Robert and Marion (McClune), to whom I found a reference in the genealogy section?
Regards
Alasdair
I really don't know. I do note that there are several Douglas males with the middle name Primrose. I have been trying for sometime to determine the reason for this. Does it denote a connection with the "Primrose" clan at some stage? Primrose as a first name for a male is very rare indeed.
Yes, I believe Rev Neil Douglas is my 5 times great grandfather, his daughter Jean, married into the Robertson line of my family. The Rev Neil seems like an interesting and somewhat controversial character of his time. In calling the house of commons a "den of thieves" i notice that not much has changed in 200 years in that respect!
very much so!! would enjoy helping to plan, I think!!
will make time to look into DNA tests after broken hand heals and some other commitments are completed thru May
Nothing new there. I spoke to my aunt againt this evening. They lived in Ireland for a few years about 40 years ago. As I said my uncle did research the connection, reading through huge piles of books. He didn't find it, but my aunt did when reading a book picked by random. Unfortunately they ended up in an argument. No notes where made, and they had to retur the books short after this because they where moving back to Norway.
So - we can assume the link is documented somewhere. We just have to look at the right place :-) But I really don't know where to start. The only information I do have is a family tree chart made by my uncle stating that this William Douglas came from the Dundee area and was born around 1940.
regards,
Geir
Thank you. I have sent a friend request to Jens Wagner-Douglas. William Douglas who died in Schippenbeil in 1711 (my 7x grandfather) is at this point a dead end for me. And it is annoying me :-) My uncle (now dead) has allways claimed that we are decendants from the Black Douglas', but I have no proof or documentation. I will try to get my hands on his notes from years of researching our ancestors.
regards,
Geir
I think i confused you like I do myself at times..lol My father was Robert Kenneth his father my grandfather was Donlad Roy Clarence Douglas was born Dec 15, 1885 in Markham Townshil, york, Ontario. My great Grandfather was kenneth Douglas born in 1859 in Ontario. His mother my great Grandmother was Alice Amelia (Dennison) They married on Oct 31, 1883. My Great Great Grandfather was Donald Douglas and his wife Elizabeth (Jackson). I know my Great Grandfather Kenneth came from a family of many and also that he was married twice. As far as I know we only had the 1 s in our last name.
My father was Robert Kenneth Douglas, he was born here in the states. His father was Donald Roy Clarence born Dec. 15, 1885 in Markham Township, York, Ontario. His father was Kenneth Douglas and mother Alice Amelia (Dinnison) They were married Oct. 31, 1883 at Unioncville, Ontario. I have been told that Alice died young at 32 and Kenneth remarried but we do not know who to and if their were any children. Kenneth's father is Donald Douglas married to Elizabeth (Jackson). I know they had brothers and maybe a sister not sure. Any information would be great. Is believed that is Donald who came from Scotland.
William,
My Great Grandfather James Douglas married a Hess from Germany, and they named My grandfather George Charles Hess Douglas. Most everyone called my grandfather Charlie. I am trying to get my dad to do the DNA testing so we can see which line of Douglas he is branched off.
The family line gets sort of blurry before my great grandfather. My dad Lowell Astor Douglas, he has a genealogy list he is going to try to get me, and I'll try to post it on this site after I rework it. There were 9 children on my grandfather’s side. --Rene'
Hi William, yes its the same me...I couldn't get into the page so i opened a new one. I have had no luck at all With finding Joesph Douglass family in Scotland or Ireland. So i have found a 5th cousin Male to do the DNA test for me. Just need to get to his place about 5 hrs ago to do the test. Should be soon....I will let you know the out come
Thanks William. I haven't done much on the Morton/Douglas connection in my family yet but I am getting there. I am finishing research into my father's family (Clan Maxwell) then I will research for possible Douglas connection.
Thank you so much William. Thanks to you and this site I've managed to trace as far back as Thomas Douglas (Abt 1776-Bef 1855), married to Oliver(F) Young(Abt 1776-1855)..There's irony every turn made in this complex, investigation of my father (Keith John McFarlane1910-1996) born in Carlton Victoria Australia whose mother, my grandmother was Emily Elizabeth Douglas (1886-1954) especially since now finding Isabella, (Abt 1824-1856) herself a Douglas, and married to a William Douglas, a seperate line for whom as yet I have no information.
I now need to research William Douglas, Isabella's spouse, but have no dates other than his wife was Isabella (circa 1824-1856) to go by. I must admit I'm a little shocked finding one Douglas marrying another..I hope they weren't too closely related!..lol...Much more to go!
Oops. Peter Reid and Susan Todd's dau was Mary Wilson Reid, who married George Campbell Ross. Peter and Susan had another daughter, Elizabeth, who married John Lawson and had dau Susan and son Peter, both born in 1890's in Lanarkshire; they also emigrated to NY.
William,
I read your response about William Sholto Douglas, born 1856 Blairgowrie, which prompted me to write.
Most of my info is on old computer, waiting for transfer. Here goes, though, what I do have handy:
If this is correct marriage, Robert Douglas and Mary Black were married 4 jul 1813, Crailing. What I do know is their daughter Elizabeth married Matthew Todd. Matthew and Elizabeth's daughter Susan married Peter Reid; their daughter Mary Wright Reid married George Campbell Ross. This line of the family moved to Lanarkshire; later some emigrated to NY in early 1900's (shipfitters).
Robert appears to be the son of a Sholto Douglass and Mary Bruce, married jul 1782 in Auchtermuchty. One of Sholto and Mary's sons is John Douglass, chr 9 mar 1783 Auchtermuchty, married Agnes McAndrew; their son Sholto is the father of the William Sholto Douglas born 1856 Blairgowrie, that went to NZ and became editor of the New Zealand Herald.
Jean, a daughter of Sholto and Mary Bruce, married William Johnston of Lathrisk, son of David Johnston Esq; their marriage is noted in Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine 1819: "At Edinburgh, William Johnston, squire of Lathrisk and Bavelaw to mistress Jean Douglas, youngest daughter of Mr Sholto Douglas"; as is the birth in 1820, and death in 1828, of their first-born son David. Their second born son George inherited Lathrisk; he died c1903. (If they followed naming conventions, it is possible George was her father Sholto's name as well)
I have no other info on Sholto and Mary Bruce other than their marriage and children. I suspect, but cannot ascertain, a connection with Charles Ayton Douglas's family.
Peigi
William : First found this site: David Andrew Douglas:States Orange McClain Douglas: b: 6 March 1848 in Indiana USA was his GREAT GRANDDAD:he was the father of my Granbdfather: William Henry Douglas: Ihave found little informatiom relave to Orang McClain Douglas:
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
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