The information you sent has put me on a new track which changes my supposition sent earlier of the Edwin T. Douglass being permanently in the harbour at Lyness. I have my father's Log Book and below are the dates of him signing on and off ship. Each voyage was 6 months. The question now is where did he go to. Wherever it was, you will see that he was with J.W. Anderson. Incidentally, Engineer Anderson was married to a woman from Amble where he was buried. I shall continue to follow up later in the day. As I mentioned earlier, I am on holiday in Austria and must go sight-seeing with the family....
South Shields 10/02/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas 146334 ***
WoW! Many many thanks for your immediate reply. The picture is a great help as ius the extra "s" in Douglass.
FYI , I was the former Chieftan of the Athens (Greece) St Andre's Societyabout ten years ago. My mother was a McMillen, my father a Baynes.My DNA is 53% Northern Scotland, Highlands and Islands, 17% Viking, 14% Irish with the balance North West Europe and England. During the war, my father was one of only 3 survivors on a ship called the Empire Airman when it was torpedoed in a convoy in the Atlantic Ocean.
A few months later after a spell at home, he was on another convo, this time to Murmansk in 1943 onboard a ship called the Empire Portia. She was hit by a Stuka dive bomber. at ancorage in Murmansk. Again he survived and returned home to South Shields on the north east coast. He was discharged and the Empire Portia saild to the south coast where she hit a mine and was sunk. Lucky Baynes lived again! Then for some reason his next shipwas the Edwin T. Douglass which lay in Lyness then later Kirkwall. In all he spent more than 2 year there on the same ship which I do not believe ever left the harbour except for the journey from Lyness to Kirkwall. I want to know more. Why was this ship there, who was Edwin T. Doiuglass, did it ever leave harbour etc etc. The other reason is that whilst in Orkney, he apparently fathered a child. I would like to find out who that child was and what happened to them.
Any tiny clue, like the letter 's' would be more than helpful.
A final note, my son it currently attending Glasgow University to become a vet.
I am trying to find more information about the Edwin T. Douglas.
I don't know any exact dates. I was told that my family on my Mother's side (Douglas) came over from Scotland during the Puritan era here in America. Before that they lived in the Douglas Castle and Glasgow area of Scotland. That's about all I know, unfortunately.
Yes, this is my family from Gallatin, Tennessee. I have to dive into this when I have a bit more time but the family of Walter Abraham Douglass who was born in 1853 is my Great-Grandfather and it is missing my grandmother, Helen Augusta Douglass and other information. My mother, who is 97 is assisting with some fo the gaps also.
Thank you for allowing me to join! Yes, that is my family. I have been going off of a family tree that is on FamilySearch.org. It originally showed that my oldest known relative was Alexander Douglas 1730-1800, but that is incorrect, it now shows that he lived 1708-1775 in Cockburn and he was the son of John Douglas II 1689-1742, who was born in St. Cuthberts and died in Edinburgh.
Thank you William. Yes, I did see that listing but it's definitely not the same George Douglas. I have verified records to show that my George Douglas (my great grandfather) married a Hannah Fozard in Yorkshire, UK.
I'm just finding my way around this website at the moment but will come back to you if I need any help. Thank you!
Thank you for the insights provided a few years ago (when I first joined here), William. Admittedly, there have been more pressing matters on my plate since then. Recently, after a quarter century, I have managed to reconnect with my half-sibling, Steven T. Douglas, and his lovely wife, Nancy has been doing genealogy for 40 years. My profile now contains an updated oldest known Douglas ancestor, and I am pleased to inform that my paternal grandmother's 3-great grandfather served at Valley Forge (Adam Calhoun Scott).
I have not forgotten you ,just a lot going on as my Youngest daughter died June 21, 2022 & we are still sorting everything out. Will get back to you as soon as all calms down.. Richard Scotti, St.Charles, MIssouri USA
Yes he was! Richard was my grandfather. He and Brenda had 3 children :
- Shannon Douglas born 2/14/1969 (my father)
- Robin Douglas (my aunt) I’ll get birth dates
- Jason Frederick Douglas (my uncle) also need birth dates
Shannon Douglas married Channa Wells, and had two children:
-Katelyn Elizabeth Douglas 9/10/1988
- Joshua Shannon Douglas 03/30/1990
My parents divorced in 1991, and both remarried. Shannon then married Tami Little, and conceived:
-Jacob Paul Douglas 07/23/1996
- Jenna Lynn Douglas 10/27/2001
My older sister Katelyn Douglas went on to marry David Spangler (since divorced) and conceived :
-Caleb Wyatt Spangler aged 11 (Need birth dates for all of my nephews)
- Henry Wade Spangler
- Griffin Spangler
- Beau Spangler
Having said all of that, I know that my great grandfather (Richards Father) left his wife and kids in the 1950’s, never to reconnect. We later learned that he started a new family, and we have since slowly reconnected. Any additional information on my bloodline would be most appreciated; the rest of my family have reservations about digging into our past. I find it to be terribly interesting. I’ve been told by my grandparents that one of my predecessors came to the States from Scotland within the last couple centuries, and they’ve always stated Lanarkshire as our family’s place of origin. I have no evidence aside from family stories passed down through the generations. Thank you for taking the time to reach out!
I hope the transfer of Douglas Support into the hands of the Community safeguards it for many years to come. Although I'm a Renfrew girl my dad's family were all miners in the Rosehall Colliery which was part of the Coatbridge Estate.
There is a recently published book - Glasgow's Blythswood by Graeme Smith which has a section on the intricacies of the Douglas/Campbell inheritance. The estate in Renfrew was originally called Renfield or Ranfield, which now lives on in Renfield St.
Good day, I am pleased that you responded and appreciate any information I can get.
I have more information on the 5 Douglas brothers. Their father was John Douglas b 1750 d1813, Born in Saint Cuthberts, Edinburg, Midlothian Died in Parish of Clyne, Southerland. His sons are Donald b1773 d 1869, Norman b1789 d 1869, Alexander b1798 d1875,Angus b1805 d1890 and John who is my direct relative b 1802 d 1876. The bothers all migrated to Pictou, Nova Scotia. I have no real records on any of this and wondered if you might be able to shed some light on this.
Thanks for the comment William! This is all fairly new to me, so anything that offers up another fascinating glimpse into my family tree is good to me! Thank you for the link to investigate too - I think it's what drew me to your site originally.
Yes, he lived in Rockingham. I’m descendant of his son Joseph Sr who moved to Kentucky. The family then went to Illinois. I have old family records that refer to Hugh being from Scotland and coming over in 1740, his son James was already born. If the will I found is accurate he passed around 1780-1788. Wife was supposedly named Margaret. All kinds of misinformation on trees, but likely none true. My Hugh was a farmer and likely not from one of the more notable Douglas lines I presume.
Hi William! Roberta Douglas Smith was my great grandmother, her daughter Rachel was my grandmother. I have managed to trace the 'double barrel' name back a bit more. Roberta's father William Douglas Smith 1846-1892 was born at Rue Farm in Holywood, Dumfries, his father was Robert Douglas Smith 1766 Tyrnon Dumfries and his parents were John Smith and Jean Douglas (Duglass) born 1740. I am now seeking further information about them. It is interesting that the surnames were merged as if she wished to retain Douglas. I'd be grateful for more information on her. I do have four 'clan' groups in the family history to research being Bailliol, Niven, Douglas, Anderson and possibly Smith. I was hoping to visit this year and learn more about the locations. My father even spoke Scotch Gaelic and my grandmother believed the family descended from the Black Douglas line.
Thank you, William. I have an Alexander McIntire d 1786, Margaret Kerr D 1753 and Archibald Douglas b 1688 d 1762. They are buried at "The Pines" Church Cemetary in Straban Township, Adams County, PA with my know relative John McIntire b 1804 d 1867. I believe they are related as this transcript was given to me in multiple forms from deceased family members. I've been stuck finding any parents for John for years.
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Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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Good Morning William,
The information you sent has put me on a new track which changes my supposition sent earlier of the Edwin T. Douglass being permanently in the harbour at Lyness. I have my father's Log Book and below are the dates of him signing on and off ship. Each voyage was 6 months. The question now is where did he go to. Wherever it was, you will see that he was with J.W. Anderson. Incidentally, Engineer Anderson was married to a woman from Amble where he was buried. I shall continue to follow up later in the day. As I mentioned earlier, I am on holiday in Austria and must go sight-seeing with the family....
South Shields 10/02/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas 146334 ***
Lyness 08/08/1944 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 09/08/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas
Lyness 07/02/1945 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/02/1945 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/08/1945 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/08/1945 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 05/02/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 06/02/1946 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 06/05/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 07/05/1946 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Blyth 25/08/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Apologies for the typos. I am on holiday with a poor internet signal and a poor keyboard.
WoW! Many many thanks for your immediate reply. The picture is a great help as ius the extra "s" in Douglass.
FYI , I was the former Chieftan of the Athens (Greece) St Andre's Societyabout ten years ago. My mother was a McMillen, my father a Baynes.My DNA is 53% Northern Scotland, Highlands and Islands, 17% Viking, 14% Irish with the balance North West Europe and England. During the war, my father was one of only 3 survivors on a ship called the Empire Airman when it was torpedoed in a convoy in the Atlantic Ocean.
A few months later after a spell at home, he was on another convo, this time to Murmansk in 1943 onboard a ship called the Empire Portia. She was hit by a Stuka dive bomber. at ancorage in Murmansk. Again he survived and returned home to South Shields on the north east coast. He was discharged and the Empire Portia saild to the south coast where she hit a mine and was sunk. Lucky Baynes lived again! Then for some reason his next shipwas the Edwin T. Douglass which lay in Lyness then later Kirkwall. In all he spent more than 2 year there on the same ship which I do not believe ever left the harbour except for the journey from Lyness to Kirkwall. I want to know more. Why was this ship there, who was Edwin T. Doiuglass, did it ever leave harbour etc etc. The other reason is that whilst in Orkney, he apparently fathered a child. I would like to find out who that child was and what happened to them.
Any tiny clue, like the letter 's' would be more than helpful.
A final note, my son it currently attending Glasgow University to become a vet.
I am trying to find more information about the Edwin T. Douglas.
Update: If the information on familysearch and ancestry is correct, then James Monroe Douglas was born James Monroe DouglasS!!
Hi William, thank you for your message! Here is what I have found in addition to a few other census records
I don't know any exact dates. I was told that my family on my Mother's side (Douglas) came over from Scotland during the Puritan era here in America. Before that they lived in the Douglas Castle and Glasgow area of Scotland. That's about all I know, unfortunately.
Yes, this is my family from Gallatin, Tennessee. I have to dive into this when I have a bit more time but the family of Walter Abraham Douglass who was born in 1853 is my Great-Grandfather and it is missing my grandmother, Helen Augusta Douglass and other information. My mother, who is 97 is assisting with some fo the gaps also.
Hi William,
Thank you for allowing me to join! Yes, that is my family. I have been going off of a family tree that is on FamilySearch.org. It originally showed that my oldest known relative was Alexander Douglas 1730-1800, but that is incorrect, it now shows that he lived 1708-1775 in Cockburn and he was the son of John Douglas II 1689-1742, who was born in St. Cuthberts and died in Edinburgh.
-Jennifer
Thank you William. Yes, I did see that listing but it's definitely not the same George Douglas. I have verified records to show that my George Douglas (my great grandfather) married a Hannah Fozard in Yorkshire, UK.
I'm just finding my way around this website at the moment but will come back to you if I need any help. Thank you!
Thank you for the insights provided a few years ago (when I first joined here), William. Admittedly, there have been more pressing matters on my plate since then. Recently, after a quarter century, I have managed to reconnect with my half-sibling, Steven T. Douglas, and his lovely wife, Nancy has been doing genealogy for 40 years. My profile now contains an updated oldest known Douglas ancestor, and I am pleased to inform that my paternal grandmother's 3-great grandfather served at Valley Forge (Adam Calhoun Scott).
Yes, i have seen that information. Sadly there is no new things on it.
There was many families from Scotland who did stay in Finland : Montgomery, Forbes, Udine, Ogilvy, Teit or Tait,
Clark, Fotheringham, Leslie, Finlayson, and more. Ofcourse lastnames were changed here, or they got different spelling.
I have not forgotten you ,just a lot going on as my Youngest daughter died June 21, 2022 & we are still sorting everything out. Will get back to you as soon as all calms down.. Richard Scotti, St.Charles, MIssouri USA
Yes he was! Richard was my grandfather. He and Brenda had 3 children :
- Shannon Douglas born 2/14/1969 (my father)
- Robin Douglas (my aunt) I’ll get birth dates
- Jason Frederick Douglas (my uncle) also need birth dates
Shannon Douglas married Channa Wells, and had two children:
-Katelyn Elizabeth Douglas 9/10/1988
- Joshua Shannon Douglas 03/30/1990
My parents divorced in 1991, and both remarried. Shannon then married Tami Little, and conceived:
-Jacob Paul Douglas 07/23/1996
- Jenna Lynn Douglas 10/27/2001
My older sister Katelyn Douglas went on to marry David Spangler (since divorced) and conceived :
-Caleb Wyatt Spangler aged 11 (Need birth dates for all of my nephews)
- Henry Wade Spangler
- Griffin Spangler
- Beau Spangler
Having said all of that, I know that my great grandfather (Richards Father) left his wife and kids in the 1950’s, never to reconnect. We later learned that he started a new family, and we have since slowly reconnected. Any additional information on my bloodline would be most appreciated; the rest of my family have reservations about digging into our past. I find it to be terribly interesting. I’ve been told by my grandparents that one of my predecessors came to the States from Scotland within the last couple centuries, and they’ve always stated Lanarkshire as our family’s place of origin. I have no evidence aside from family stories passed down through the generations. Thank you for taking the time to reach out!
Thank you William.
I hope the transfer of Douglas Support into the hands of the Community safeguards it for many years to come. Although I'm a Renfrew girl my dad's family were all miners in the Rosehall Colliery which was part of the Coatbridge Estate.
There is a recently published book - Glasgow's Blythswood by Graeme Smith which has a section on the intricacies of the Douglas/Campbell inheritance. The estate in Renfrew was originally called Renfield or Ranfield, which now lives on in Renfield St.
Thanks again
Petrina
Good day, I am pleased that you responded and appreciate any information I can get.
I have more information on the 5 Douglas brothers. Their father was John Douglas b 1750 d1813, Born in Saint Cuthberts, Edinburg, Midlothian Died in Parish of Clyne, Southerland. His sons are Donald b1773 d 1869, Norman b1789 d 1869, Alexander b1798 d1875,Angus b1805 d1890 and John who is my direct relative b 1802 d 1876. The bothers all migrated to Pictou, Nova Scotia. I have no real records on any of this and wondered if you might be able to shed some light on this.
Best Regards, Daniel Stewart Douglas
My grandson researched my heritage on the Douglas side and found we are descendants of William de Douglas / Margaret Kersdale 1167 1214.
My grandfather was William Temple Douglas 1887 -1951 who married Janet Fotheringham. Moved to Canada in the late 1930s.
My mother's name is Mary Ann Temple Douglas. one of six children.
Yes, he lived in Rockingham. I’m descendant of his son Joseph Sr who moved to Kentucky. The family then went to Illinois. I have old family records that refer to Hugh being from Scotland and coming over in 1740, his son James was already born. If the will I found is accurate he passed around 1780-1788. Wife was supposedly named Margaret. All kinds of misinformation on trees, but likely none true. My Hugh was a farmer and likely not from one of the more notable Douglas lines I presume.
Thank you, William. I have an Alexander McIntire d 1786, Margaret Kerr D 1753 and Archibald Douglas b 1688 d 1762. They are buried at "The Pines" Church Cemetary in Straban Township, Adams County, PA with my know relative John McIntire b 1804 d 1867. I believe they are related as this transcript was given to me in multiple forms from deceased family members. I've been stuck finding any parents for John for years.
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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