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Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham

Started this discussion. Last reply by Don Feb 13. 5 Replies

Looking for any information about Lord Spencer Hamilton.According to information sources such as Burkes Peerage, Spencer Hamilton is said to have died unmarried.Genealogy sites such as WikiTree don't…Continue

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Don replied to Don's discussion Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham
"Been reading so much about this recently (and quickly) and vaguely remember that a King James (I think it was) getting upset with one of his close subjects when they went and got married without getting the King's approval to do so. "
Feb 13
William Douglas replied to Don's discussion Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham
"...permission had to be obtained from the sovereign ...My father was baptised in a royal chapel (Why? Unknown!), for which permission from the King was obtained.  So, maybe, they weren't 'royal subjects' but using a royal…"
Feb 13
Don replied to Don's discussion Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham
"I've found 'source' records to support the birth of the two children, Spencer Hamilton who died young, and his sister Elizabeth, my ancestor. The records refer to their actual father's name, but the mother is referred to as just…"
Feb 13
Don replied to Don's discussion Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham
"Yes. Who Charlotte Spencer is is a real dilemma for me.https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Spencer-10890 Some have Charlotte as a third daughter of Edward Spencer. That would make Lord Spencer Hamilton married to his Aunt and Charlotte having a miraculous…"
Feb 9
William Douglas replied to Don's discussion Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham
"This tree shows similar information:https://gw.geneanet.org/belfast8?lang=en&p=charlotte&n=spencer I suspect some circular referencing is at work here. The Spencer Family of Rendlesham family link looks tenuous.  The line died out…"
Feb 8
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Lt Col Lord Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, son of James the 5th Duke of Hamilton and Anne Spencer of Rendlesham

Looking for any information about Lord Spencer Hamilton.According to information sources such as Burkes Peerage, Spencer Hamilton is said to have died unmarried.Genealogy sites such as WikiTree don't like to except Burkes Peerage, thepeerage.com, and similar resources as providing dependable source material for evidence.I have read some information about him being a sports lover person, horse racing I believe, dying in France and a story about him being asked to supply men to help contain a…See More
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"Welcome to our community, Don. Membership here is a 2-way thing.  The more information that you provide about your family connections, the more chance there is that someone might connect with you and share their knowledge."
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Which Douglas line are you researching? Dates and places help making connections.
Lord Spencer Hamilton
Who is your earliest known Douglas ancestor?
Anne Elizabeth Hamilton

Fanny Maria Wynter was married to William Johnston. William's parents were William Johnston and Isabel Cunningham who came out to Australia from Scotland.

My supposed connection to the Douglas line is via the Hamilton-Douglas or is it Douglas-Hamilton family linage of James Hamilton the 5th Duke of Hamilton and his 3rd wife Anne Spencer of Rendlesham, his father, being the 4th Duke of Hamilton, James Douglas-Hamilton, and his mother was Elizabeth Gerard. 

This then take us back to his father William Douglas the 3rd Earl of Selkirk.

  

One of my Great Grandmothers was a Wynter (Fanny Maria 1840 - 1917), daughter of Henry Richard Walker Wynter (1808 - 1888). Henry's father, Philip Wynter (1753 - 1827) was married to Anne Elizabeth Hamilton (1769 - 1843).

Anne Hamilton is said to be the daughter of Lord Spencer Hamilton (1742 - 1791) and Charlotte Spencer (1745 - 1786). Anne had a brother Spencer Hamilton (1767 - 1767).

However, according to reliable sources of the day such as Burkes Peerage and others, Lord Spencer Hamilton did not marry let alone have any issues.

There seems to be even less scant information on his alleged wife Charlotte Spencer.

Charlotte Spencer could be related the famous Spencer line, or it has even been suggested that she is a third daughter of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham. 

This would mean that Lord Spencer Hamilton had a relationship with his Aunt (?).

So, is there any documented proof out there to support the family history of this connection?

This must be what family researchers refer to as a brick wall.

I'm desperately trying to resolve this before I return in the Tardis to the 21 centuries, just find I have dissolved into thin air, after finding out this part of my genetic structure never having ever existed.

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At 11:05 on February 5, 2024, William Douglas said…

Welcome to our community, Don.

Membership here is a 2-way thing.  The more information that you provide about your family connections, the more chance there is that someone might connect with you and share their knowledge.

 
 
 

Making conections

The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?


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