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Hi Julie,

I've posted some things in a 'discussion'. Have been looking at these Douglas for a little while now, and returned to them a couple of weeks ago when I was looking through the Cockpen and Newbattle KS minutes. Saw your posts on this site a while back and yesterday decided it was time I joined!

I have just downloaded the TD of William Duglass - it mentions the eldest son John but not James or George, alas. I'll look forward to talk about these. I'll post the details of births that I have later - you will have these but it's probably worth revisiting them.

Jenny

Hi Julie - I'm looking into these Cockpen Douglases. Will post something later this morning. The line I'm most interested in goes back from Agnes Douglas (b. 1771) via Robert (1737) and James (1697) to William Duglass and Janet Witherspoon.

Jenny

Naturally, I will now be on the outlook for William and Janet Witherspoon.

Bob.

Hi Julie, 

William has asked if I can assist with your query re. William Douglas and Grishild or Grizzel McKeand.  I'm afraid my information does not extend much beyond the parents of William who were Gilbert Douglas and Margaret McIlroy or Milroy. Gilbert had the tenancy of the farm of Glenrassie in Castle Stewart in the parish of Penninghame, Wigtownshire, during 1679, 1684, 1704 & 1711. He was born 28/09/1648 and was taken prisoner at the battle of Bothwell Bridge, following which he was released but suffered great losses at the hands of the victors. It is said that Gilbert was descended from William Douglas who had the lands of Carsnestock in the Moss of Cree, from Archibald, Lord Douglas, known as Black Archibald (D&G.N.H.&A. Society 25/03/1921).

Gilbert's son, William, was born in Moss of Cree in 1668 and died 14/10/1745. He married Grizzel M'Keand who was born in Penninghame in 1670 and died Oct., 1741. They were the parents of Sir William Douglas of Castle Douglas who died unmarried 13/09/1809. Sir William had five brothers, James, John, George and Samuel, all wealthy merchants. 

I don't know if the above assists but if you have any specific queries I shall be glad to help, if I can.

Bob.

Julie,  We have been posting messages at the same time, I think.  Very confusing!

William Douglas, who married Grishild McKeand, is listed in my database as the daughter of Gilbert Douglas and Margaret McIlroy.

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/famgen/getperson.php?personID=I27660&tree=tree1

This website http://pdholub.com/gp899.html has him as the son of William, b1649 Cockpen and Isobel Kennedy.  That William Douglas 1649 being the son of James Douglas and Agnes Rome.  As you suggested below.

I am going to ask Bob Henry if he can help with this.

William

Re:

William Douglas (b 1649, Cockpen), son of James Douglas and Agnes Rome (who married 1637), married Isabel Elizabeth Kennedy (Died:     1668  - Penningham Galloway) had a son, William Douglas (born 1668 Cockpen, 14 Oct 1745- Penninghame, Wigtownshire) who married 1693  - Grishild McKeand.

I have in my database this William as the son of Gilbert Douglas and Margaret McIlroy, ancestors of Sir William Douglas of Castle Douglas.

Must be something wrong here: 

Margaret Douglas b 1790 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland. Parents: George Douglas b 1713, Christian Watson b 1717. 

George is unlikely to have become a father aged 77.

Do you thing that George Douglas, born 2 May 1711 is the same person as George Douglas, b1713?

This is what I passed to Ethel:

Margaret Douglas b 1790 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland. Parents: George Douglas b 1713, Christian Watson b 1717. 
Marriage: John Douglas b 15 Nov 1761, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland. m Marian Henderson, then, Elliot Seaton b 1767 Cocklerow, Newton, Midlothian, Scotland.

Marriage: Robert Cochrane, b Newbattle married 24 October 1707 Janet Douglas b Cockpen

William Douglas (b 1649, Cockpen), son of James Douglas and Agnes Rome (who married 1637), married Isabel Elizabeth Kennedy (Died:     1668  - Penningham Galloway) had a son, William Douglas (born 1668 Cockpen, 14 Oct 1745- Penninghame, Wigtownshire) who married 1693  - Grishild McKeand.

I think this is where the above came from: http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic4743.html

I have also found this marriage:

BORTHWICK  James (M)       M       6 May 1853 1853 Janet DOUGLAS   MLN     Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland   

and these births:

Alexander Douglas 02 Oct 1708 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

Anna Douglas 02 Jan 1702 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

David Douglas 12 Mar 1704 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

George Douglas 02 May 1711 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

James Douglas 16 Jan 1697 Cockpen Parish, Midlothian, Scotland

Janet Douglas 15 Dec 1700 Cockpen Parish, Midlothian, Scotland

Janet Douglas 05 Jun 1724 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

John Douglas 13 May 1723 Cockpen, M Loth, Scotland

Peter Douglas 05 Oct 1713 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

William Douglas 1649 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland Kennedy, Isabel Elizabeth

William Douglas 28 Aug 1706 Cockpen Parish, Scotland

William Douglas 17 Jan 1722 Cockpen, M Loth, Scotland

William Douglas 14 Apr 1737 Cockpen, Bolton New Marns, Midlothian, Scotland