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Can anyone help with the connection of James Douglas born 25th September 1768 at Springwood Park

to Admiral Sir James Douglas(1704-1787) of Springwood Park.

Sir James Douglas was married three times and his first wife was a Dutch lady called Uranie Marteilhe.

My James Douglas was a Major in the East India Company and also married to a Dutch lady

Atcha Babee.  His four children were born in Bombay.

He died at Edenside Kelso in 1819 I think, because his will was proved that year.

His letters to the India office D/167 Folios183-185 formally requesting his retiral, dated 1809.

Also a letter D/171 Folios 175-177 applying to become recruiting officer for the Glasgow District dated 1811.

Any information would be most appreciated.

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Comment by William Douglas on January 19, 2013 at 19:20

The Sydney Morning Herald Wednesday 28 April 1897, page 1

DOUGLAS.—April 27, at his late residence, 80 Glebe-
road, James Douglas, surgeon, only son and last sur-
viving child of the late Major James Douglas, of the
E. I. Co. Service, who died at Edenside, Kelso, Scotland,
in his 94th year. Edinburgh and London papers please

Comment by William Douglas on October 25, 2010 at 15:11
I was tired last night when I fired off my brief response. I should have given it a bit more time and thought.

Christopher Valin states that Sir Charles did marry Uranie Lidie Marteilh, and that they had two children, Wiliam Henry and Lydia Marianna. Some sources attribute his second son, Charles, to this marriage. (He appears thus in my genealogy database - perhaps I should be altering that!). So no James there.

Major general Robert Douglas (1727–1809) also married a Dutch lady at about this time. He was the son of George Douglas of Friarshaw and his wife, Elizabeth Scott (dau of Sir Patrick Scott, Bart of Ancrum) and a brother to Admiral Sir James, of Springwood. The General married Helena de Brauw in 1754. They had issue, but no James that I am aware of.

According to The Scots Magazine, James douglas died, at Edenside, on 28th April 1814. I think that his will was not proved til 1819, so guess there was some sort of family dispute?

James Douglas of Edenside's youngest daughter, Mary, married Francis K. Turner in Edinburgh on 11th November 1835.

I am sure that you are correct in your assumption that these is a link to the Douglases Springwood Park, but I have not yet been able to identify what it is.

It appears that he was a horticultuaralist of some note. 'In the last decade of last century much work was accomplished in that respect by the late James Douglas, of Edenside, and Martin R. Smith, a famous amateur grower and raiser. Although Douglas was one of the school of the old florists he ...' And: 'A collection of seed and/or nursery catalogs published by James Douglas (Firm) (Edenside, Great Bookham, Surrey, England; also known as the House of Douglas) from 1902-[19--]; part of the Ethel Z. Bailey Horticultural Catalogue Collection.'

'Edenside Nursery was also famed for pinks and carnations, but the auricula always had a special appeal for Douglas, who was succeeded by his son James and grandson Gordon Douglas. The work still continues, although the original nursery ...'

There is a 32-page booklet that might help: THE HOUSE OF DOUGLAS Nursery at Great Bookham, Surrey, 1893 - 1985 By: Eileen Galbally.

Gardeners' chronicle, horticultural trade journal, Volume 147 contains an obituary. James Douglas died 11 May ?1960 aged 86.

So, not much progress to finding out more about Major James Douglas' parentage.
Comment by stephen light on October 24, 2010 at 23:17
Looks as though I was confused with Sir Charles Douglas
and Sir James Douglas of Springfield Park kelso.
William do you know anything about that family
and could my James Douglas be related to them.
Comment by William Douglas on October 24, 2010 at 22:44

Uranie Lidie Marteilhe married Admiral Sir Charles Douglas of Carr. His biographer, Christopher J. Valin, is a members of this network.

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