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Dand-Daniel Ellot-Elliot Co Maguire-Fermanagh on EU-UK Border of Scots-Irish.

The Aug 4, 1682 Boston deed: Daniel Elliot Sr, father of Daniel Elliot Jr of the Salem Testimony, was a document discovered by Melanie Hollett of the Daniel Elliot group.

Daniel Elliot 1637-1704 Tullykelter, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland to Boston, MA, familysearch.org

Scots-Irish. Dand Ellot son of Clementis Hobs (i.e. Clement Crozier's sister's son Robert Elliott, residence Gorrenberry, Scotland west of Hermitage Castle, his father was an Andrew (Dand) Elwald-Ellot, said to be in on the execution of a Hugh Douglas, but those Scott took him in up north. When he came to visit his son at Gorrenberry, chopped wood at night the family had to make-up a story about a Cowie helping out. Known as The Cowie of Gorrenberry.

My online research is still being scrutinized. When there was a feud between Horseleyhill and Hassendeen, Buccleuch from Mary Queen of Scots was the judge. There was a jury for the prosecution and one for the defense. Family of Stobs-Gorrenberry were of Horseleyhill, the defense, and it was good to have Douglas on the side of the defense. The Scotts were on the side of the prosecution. Can't say it was a Scot-Ellot feud though because a Scott on the Horsleyhill side lets say his head rolled.

  

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Comment by William Douglas on April 7, 2024 at 10:42

Red or Black?


There is a huge emotional pull towards the Good Sir James, the Black Douglas, as a pillar on which the Douglas story is founded. But are you a 'Black Douglas'? Or a Red Douglas? Or perhaps neither?

Following the death of the 2nd Earl at the Battle of Otterburn in 1388 without legitimate issue, the Earldom passed to a bastard son of 'The Good Sir James', the poetically named Archibald the Grim, the Lord of Galloway. This occurred through articles of special entail in the resignation of title by Hugh the Dull, Lord of Douglas. George Douglas, 1st Earl of Angus the bastard son of the 1st Earl by his sister-in law Margaret Stewart, Dowager Countess of Mar & Countess of Angus, inherited his mother's Earldom of Angus. Retrospectively the two branches of Douglas and Angus were described as the Black and Red lines respectively.

The Black Douglases fell from power and were attainted by King James II in 1455. The seventh Earl was created Earl of Avondale and Lord Balveny in 1437, also in the Peerage of Scotland. These titles also became forfeit in 1455.

The title of Douglas was restored in 1633 for the 'Red' Douglas line, when William Douglas, 11th Earl of Angus (1589–1660), was created First Marquess of Douglas by Charles I.

Comment by Mark Stephen Elliott on April 6, 2024 at 22:08

Not highly knowledgeable on Black and Red Douglas. Take it Sir James is considered 'Black' and represented by black hair. Is Archibald 'Bell the Cat' considered 'Red'. Does anyone know whether he is represented by 'red hair'? Have that in my family.

Comment by Mark Stephen Elliott on December 21, 2023 at 7:44
Comment by William Douglas on December 20, 2023 at 10:28

Family Search has its own political narrative that needs close monitoring when used by family historians.  Here the myth of Irish slavery is pedalled.

The Irish slaves myth is a fringe pseudohistorical narrative that conflates the penal transportation and indentured servitude of Irish people during the 17th and 18th centuries, with the hereditary chattel slavery experienced by the forebears of the African diaspora. Some white nationalists, and others who want to minimize the effects of hereditary chattel slavery on Africans and their descendants, have used this false equivalence to deny racism against African Americans or claim that African Americans are too vocal in seeking justice for historical grievances. It also can hide the facts around Irish involvement in the transatlantic slave trade. The myth has been in circulation since at least the 1990s and has been disseminated in online memes and social media debates. According to historians Jerome S. Handler and Matthew C. Reilly, "it is misleading, if not erroneous, to apply the term 'slave' to Irish and other indentured servants in early Barbados".

This is not to deny that some were subjected to horrendous treatment, but many moved to better circumstances.

Making conections

The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?


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