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At a dead end despite 20 years research on my 3rd G-Grandfather Rev. Charles Douglas (1743-1833) of Dervock, Co. Antrim, whose father is indicated to be a James Douglas of Dervock by the University of Glasgow records (Charles graduated there in 1764). Burke's Landed Gentry of 1855 says Charles is descended from the same Scottish ancestor as the Douglas of Grace Hall family, and if so, that would be Robert Douglass (1665-1733) who had three wives. Lots of family tree descendants from Charles and wife Grace Gamble, but Church of Ireland (he was Bishop of Connor) indicates he also had three wives and I find no records of the other two. Did my Y-DNA and lots of Hamilton ancestors, but very few Douglas ancestors. None of the DNA Douglas matches have posted family trees or respond to emails. Hamilton DNA Project says that I'm an anomaly. Any ideas out there?
Richard William Maginis Douglas
I am not sure that he was a bishop. I have found no evidence that he was. In 1781, he was a prebendary, a senior member of clergy, normally supported by the revenues from an estate or parish. The position is a type of canon who has a role in the administration of a cathedral. He may have held that position til 1813.
I have a note that he may have been married to a Miss Allen of Lisconnan, Co. Antrim, as well as to Grace Gamble. However, this is probably Anne Allen (1805-90); who married Edmund Alexander Douglas (d. 1846), son of Rev. Charles Douglas, and had issue four sons and one daughter; died 23 February 1890; will proved at Belfast, 27 August 1890 (effects £370); Anne was the daughter of Dr. Samuel Allen, (1778-1835), of Lisconnan
Thanks William. First, need to thank you for the great job you're doing and the fine Douglas tour information you provided for our trip to Scotland and N. Ireland last summer. Second, our general agreement in the past of a likely common Robert Douglas ancestor for Douglas of Dervock and Grace Hall gives me a likely family path back to Scotland if I can just identify James Douglass of Dervock!
I agree that Charles's title may be questionable since I have also found references to both Bishop of Connor and Prebend of Connor, and would like to have discussed that with the current Rector of his church when I visited last summer, but he was on vacation. However, the Rector was the one who provided the Connor Diocese Succession List from the Church of Ireland's records that showed three marriages, including a Miss Allen of Lisconnon, but no dates. Was well aware of his son Edmond's marriage to Anne then, and was told that did not seem to be confused with that marriage. Charles graduated in 1764 and became Curate at Carncastle in 1769, then served at Derrykeighan from 1773-1833. He married a widow, Grace Gamble in 1787 (My 3rd G-Grandmother) who died in 1818, so there were 23 years of time prior to that marriage and 15 years afterwards, certainly possible windows for two other marriages. Another aspect is that the elder Samuel Allen's (1742-1820) daughter Frances (1776-1807) married Archer Bayley (1770-1832) and their daughter Frances Higginson Bayley married Charles Douglas (1791-1871) another of Charles' sons and is my 2nd G-Grandparents. Clearly a generational family connection with the Allen's.
As in the past, any help in identifying James Douglass of Dervock, or ideas on (with this family line) all the Hamilton DNA would be very appreciated. We are planning another Scotland/N. Ireland trip next year.
I have known Nick Kingsley for some time, through the web, and look at his blog occasionally. You may have seen this article: http://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2014/01/100-allen-of-lisconnan-h... but I will be checking it out further to make sure my records are correct.
Hi Richard , have you done your Autosomal DNA ? I have a lot of Gamble DNA matches , who also have Douglas , if so do you have a gedmatch number?
and do you have an ancestry tree you could let me look at ?
and FTDNA is only $59 for autosomal DNA right now
the Hamilton line came about from Douglas , or is it the other way round William?
I also have a lot of Hamilton DNA matches
Yes I have done Ancestry Autosomal DNA A588257 and my GEDMatch is 6605406.
Our Family tree is on Ancestry as "Douglas". Yes, a Douglas did take the name Hamilton to assume the family estate, Lord William Douglas (1634-1694) and I'm thinking that Robert is likely related to that line.
Spent a few hours going through Ancestry, FTDNA, and Gedmatch looking for the DNA connection unsuccessfully. I did find your family tree on Ancestry, but you did cover the tree relationship in your message. My 2nd and 3rd G-Grandfather's were named Charles, but I'm not aware of any insolvency cases, although they were both significant land and business owners in the Dervock area. I do have a Granduncle Charles Douglas (1865-1940) who ended up in Queensland, Australia, and am in contact with Douglas cousins there. Maybe you could share the reference news article? Reference Jane, I do have a DNA connection with an Isabella Douglas who married James Hodge about 1839 that I have been unable to find her parents and she could be in the same line as Jane sinc she named her first daughter Jane. Additionally, land records indicate James and Isabella were renting a home from my 2nd G-Aunt Sarah. I do have at least one related Douglas members living in Lisburn in the 1800's, and my 3rd G-Grandmother Grace Gamble's maternal line came from Ayrshire. Lots of guesses is correct, and I'd like to understand the DNA connection!
Thanks, Bill Douglas
Quick reply as I have couple other items going this evening. I did try matching in Gedmatch to your father's Lazarus kit LY585897L1 and the result was no match with me, which is what I meant by "I'd like to understand the DNA connection!" I do see Gilmour/Gilmore and Campbell matches, but not with Hendren???? My Gamble line to Ayrshire is through the Stirling's - have any of them? I'll look at the Debtor article tomorrow. Thanks, Bill