Thank you so much William. Thanks to you and this site I've managed to trace as far back as Thomas Douglas (Abt 1776-Bef 1855), married to Oliver(F) Young(Abt 1776-1855)..There's irony every turn made in this complex, investigation of my father (Keith John McFarlane1910-1996) born in Carlton Victoria Australia whose mother, my grandmother was Emily Elizabeth Douglas (1886-1954) especially since now finding Isabella, (Abt 1824-1856) herself a Douglas, and married to a William Douglas, a seperate line for whom as yet I have no information.

I now need to research William Douglas, Isabella's spouse, but have no dates other than his wife was Isabella (circa 1824-1856) to go by. I must admit I'm a little  shocked finding one Douglas marrying another..I hope they weren't too closely related!..lol...Much more to go!

 Thanks William. I haven't done much on the Morton/Douglas connection in my family yet but I am getting there. I am finishing research into my father's family (Clan Maxwell) then I will research for possible Douglas connection. 

Hi William, yes its the same me...I couldn't get into the page so i opened a new one. I have had no luck at all With finding Joesph Douglass family in Scotland or Ireland. So i have found a 5th cousin Male to do the DNA test for me. Just need to get to his place about 5 hrs ago to do the test. Should be soon....I will let you know the out come

William,

My Great Grandfather James Douglas married a Hess from Germany, and they named My grandfather George Charles Hess Douglas. Most everyone called my grandfather Charlie. I am trying to get my dad to do the DNA testing so we can see which line of Douglas he is branched off.

The family line gets sort of blurry before my great grandfather. My dad Lowell Astor Douglas, he has a genealogy list he is going to try to get me, and I'll try to post it on this site after I rework it. There were 9 children on my grandfather’s side. --Rene'

My father was Robert Kenneth Douglas, he was born here in the states. His father was Donald Roy Clarence born Dec. 15, 1885 in Markham Township, York, Ontario. His father was Kenneth Douglas and mother Alice Amelia (Dinnison) They were married Oct. 31, 1883 at Unioncville, Ontario. I have been told that Alice died young at 32 and Kenneth remarried but we do not know who to and if their were any children. Kenneth's father is Donald Douglas married to Elizabeth (Jackson). I know they had brothers and maybe a sister not sure. Any information would be great. Is believed that is Donald who came from Scotland.

I think i confused you like I do myself at times..lol  My father was Robert Kenneth his father my grandfather was Donlad Roy Clarence Douglas was born Dec 15, 1885 in Markham Townshil, york, Ontario.  My great Grandfather was kenneth Douglas born in 1859 in Ontario.  His mother my great Grandmother was Alice Amelia (Dennison)  They married on Oct 31, 1883.  My Great Great Grandfather was Donald Douglas and his wife Elizabeth (Jackson).  I know my Great Grandfather Kenneth came from a family of many and also that he was married twice.  As far as I know we only had the 1 s in our last name. 

Thank you. I have sent a friend request to Jens Wagner-Douglas. William Douglas who died in Schippenbeil in 1711 (my 7x grandfather) is at this point a dead end for me. And it is annoying me :-) My uncle (now dead) has allways claimed that we are decendants from the Black Douglas', but I have no proof or documentation. I will try to get my hands on his notes from years of researching our ancestors.

regards,

Geir

Nothing new there. I spoke to my aunt againt this evening. They lived in Ireland for a few years about 40 years ago. As I said my uncle did research the connection, reading through huge piles of books. He didn't find it, but my aunt did when reading a book picked by random. Unfortunately they ended up in an argument. No notes where made, and they had to retur the books short after this because they where moving back to Norway.

So - we can assume the link is documented somewhere. We just have to look at the right place :-) But I really don't know where to start. The only information I do have is a family tree chart made by my uncle stating that this William Douglas came from the Dundee area and was born around 1940.

regards,

Geir

very much so!!  would enjoy helping to plan, I think!!

will make time to look into DNA tests after broken hand heals and some other commitments are completed thru May

Yes, I believe Rev Neil Douglas is my 5 times great grandfather, his daughter Jean, married into the Robertson line of my family. The Rev Neil seems like an interesting  and somewhat controversial character of his time. In calling the house of commons  a "den of thieves" i notice that not much has changed in 200 years in that respect!

I really don't know. I do note that there are several Douglas males with the middle name Primrose. I have been trying for sometime to determine the reason for this. Does it denote a connection with the "Primrose" clan at some stage? Primrose as a first name for a male is very rare indeed.

Dear William

Is it possible that my ggg grandfather, William's parents were Robert and Marion (McClune), to whom I found a reference in the genealogy section?

Regards

Alasdair

It's McClune (F11586)

Thank you; William, for your e-mail.

Hi William

I am a silent member of the Douglas group on FTDNA and I listen to the chatter every day!! It was through the list that I came to your groups/site. My Kit no. is 153271.

I have a direct line of Scottish Mortons back to 1711 but haven't done any research for a few months. I was brought up as a "Douglas"  - still wearing my father's kilt and my grandfather's sporran!!

My interest lies in making a direct link to the Douglases. I wonder if my GEDCOM file would be of any interest to anyone.

William - Thank you for the welcome note and for the follow up question on Joseph Douglass from Mecklenburg Co., NC., whose was in the NC House of Commons.   I don't believe the Joseph Douglass we are trying to trace is the same person.  Their dates of birth are within 3 years of each other but our Joseph lived until 1843 and died in Sumpter Co., GA.  There may be a family connection here but I can not document it at this time.   I will keep searching the extensive "The Douglas Archieves" for other known relatives to see possible connections.  Hopefully there is a connection out there.  Best regards, Bill Dolezal

I am trying to  contact  Maurice Hart Douglas, if you are in touch with him, is it possible for him to contact me on charlottepaton@onetel.com regarding his late father.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you

Charlotte Paton

Charloote Paton

Yes I am the grand-daughter of George Charles Douglas and Kathleen Gaffney. The family usually call her Catherine Gaffney which is the name on her birth registration.

It must be a fairly challenging task trying to tie links together.

I have looked up your article   about James Douglas, cattle breeder, and found it most interesting. He did very well for himself indeed, especially as a tenant farmer competing with the wealthy landowners.

Well I'm not sure. I am hoping DNA will answer that.

I am the great-grandson of Perry Douglas Roe (1863-1926). He founded the Port Moody area outside Vancouver B.C. Canada. The family records stop there. His parents died when he was just a child, Indian attack in Texas. Their names are not recorded. All we know is that he came from Edinburgh Scotland. My grandfather once told me that I was the last of the "Black Douglas" that all the others had been killed off, and to protect our self we changed our last name to Roe. I was about five years old, but it stuck in my head. The story goes "that long ago a black Douglas rescued a princess from captivity and went into hiding, changing his last name to Roe. All the remaining Douglas family was killed off. With only one male in each generation, I was all that was left of the line".  As I grew up I rarely spoke of the story, as I felt it was very odd. None the less, I often look for record of it in history books, and find nothing. So He had too much to drink, combined with my poor memory.  When DNA came about, I thought it would answer everything.  I stumbled onto your site.  Wow! hundreds of thousands of Douglas's. If I get a DNA print of myself can it be compared to a known Black Douglas??

Thank you, Sean

Yes, On my mother’s side we can go back to family on the islands north of Scotland. But on my dad’s side we stop with “crossing the big pond”.

Hi William, thank you for the information on John Douglas. Yes the John I'm speaking of married a native american woman and was on that ship and the records from my Great grandfather show him as a being a young lad that was supposed to be going to England. Somehow he ended up coming to America. Do you have more information on him before his trip to America? We have been on Ancesorty.com and seem to have built a tree leading all the way back to William 1. My great grandfather was William Willis Douglas, and my Grandfather Willis Granville Douglas

i would love to find out more about my family  my branch of the douglas family came from rotherham yorks my side of family ended up in lincoln because my grandfather and his brothers came to get work in the foundarys and i really know no more .    

My dad and I (along with some people on The Douglas Clan FB Group) are actively trying to piece everything together. My dad was able to do some more digging this past week and found out that one of my ancestors was actually in The War of 1812....which is pretty cool. Still trying to find that Douglass who crossed the Big Blue.

Good Afternoon William

As you will be aware the Douglas(s) were very fond of Border raiding and removing anything from England that could be herded or carried they were also not very fond of the English . At some point they occupied an area in England from Upper Weardale down to the coast at Hartlepool and north back up to Scotland. In Northumberland they had stiff opposition in the form of the the Duke of Northumberland and his merry band . In County Durham however they were up against the Balliols who try as they might could not get them out of upper Weardale  from were the Douglas's  harried and plundered the surrounding areas. There was a notable battle at Stanhope which almost resulted in the English King being caught and disposed of. (King  Edward  (Longshanks )) . My ancesters are stem from that time & Place the first record I can find is of John Dowglasse ( Douglass) who was born in Durham in 1595 In the Parish of St Oswalds, Durham City. By coincidence my own father was born and baptised in the same church in 1920. and I can trace my tree back to 1595. 

If I knew more about it and the ties the Douglass's have within I would find a way to write even just a little bit about it, but, alas, I don't. :p That's a great idea though.

Ref to the comment of the family line Hess Douglas. My great great grandfather married a Hess out of Germany, and he gave that as a middle sure name to my great grandfather Charlie Hess Douglas -That is all I know. I am still trying to get more info out of my father.

Kudos to you, William, for all your work on this!  I definitely wish to attend - wish I'd known about the 2009 gathering - thoroughly excited about this - yes, prices may be high, but why would we elect to miss the spectacle?!? 

SUGGESTION - can we get a hotel to set aside some rooms - those of us who are serious could then start booking now - not when it's too late!  Our motto is to be 'never behind' - correct?

Hi William Thank you for your message, yes I have run out of steam at present short of  a miracle I am stumped, do you have any suggestions where I can Look.Monica has been a wonderfull help she deserves a medal

Thanks William - I am the great great grandson of the Hon. Samuel Townsend Douglas (b. 1814 to Benjamin-6, Daniel-5, Robert-4, Thomas-3, Robert-2, Deacon William-1) of the Michigan Douglas line (Grosse Isle). Looking at the Douglas Archives website, my line doesn't even make it past Benjamin-6. How do we go about adding information?

Also - are you still looking for funds for your search to determine Deacon Williams lineage? Or have we resolved that? I would love to contribute to the effort - very interesting stuff! 

Hi William,

Thanks for the reply - I attach (hopefully) my family tree which shows how I go back to Deacon William of 1610. Not sure if that is helpful for filling in some of the blanks (I have some blanks to fill in myself!), but if that is the best way to expand my line in this database, than that would be great! If you need more info, let me know.

I'm off to London next week to attend the Olympics with my English wife and our three adopted brothers from Ukraine.

Cheers,

Dave

DOUGLAS%20FAMILY%20TREE.pdf

Dave%20Dannemillers%20Douglas%20History.pdf

p.s. is this you?

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Hello William,

Seems to be lots of folks with that name as you know. lol  My William was born about 1834 in Eldrid Township, Jefferson County, Pa. I have lots of info on him and his family after 1870, they were living in Erie City, Pa at the time. They moved to Iowa, then to Kansas where he died in 1924. He married Ada Wright and they had 3 children Edith, Earl & Elward. I have no idea who his parents were, I think his father had the same name as I have found census records from Jefferson County. They show the family as Free Persons of Color with 6-10 persons living in the household depending on the year. I have also found bits of info on him in several books that have been printed regarding black, colored, negro etc. inventors, but nothing about his parents or siblings. His early life is my brick wall.

Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide.

Be Blessed

L.K.

hi william,

                 no sir the only thing that i know are the stories my grandfather told me

about  james douglas and the douglas,s  be heading the englishmen that had taken thier home  while he was away . i was also told stories that our ancestors would kill the english men and thier horses no questions asked and that people were affraid to fight us . it was our job to protect scotland from the invading english while william the bruce fought in the northern part of the country , again this is just what i have been told over the years from my grandparents they also said we had two castles about 1 mile apart in  scotland, i am inclined to believe that i might be one of the last black douglas,s

Hello all, thanks so much for this website. I was born in Canada  - as I track my roots - my father and grandfather and I guess their ancestors were born in Jamaica. I've been told that my family is from Douglas Castle in Jamaica. William 'Captain' Douglas went to Jamaica and i'm a Douglas from that branch. I would love to trace my relation to Captain and I would love to know about where Captain came from and/or about his family. I would love to know more about my Scottish roots.  

Hi William,

I've left a comment for Julie Bryce as I see she was interested in the Cockpen bunch. What I've found is several generations associated with Dalhousie, with baptisms recorded variously in Cockpen, Newbattle and Carrington.

It's unfortunate that the Cockpen register only starts from 1690 for births, considerably later for marriages, but that's life. I see that a suggestion was made on the parentage of William Duglass (who married Janet Witherspoon) but don't know that source that comes from. I'll post some details of what I have - where? On my own comment wall maybe?

Thanks for the site!

Jenny

William:

I am a bit fuzzy on the dates for Hugh Douglas and Katherine Hume.  Hugh was born about 1700 and I assume Katherine a bit later.  I am related through their daughter Elizabeth, who married Robert Neilson.

Thanks for your help with the Douglas family.

Carl

William:

Forgot to mention that Hugh and Katherine lived in Ayrshire, Scotland.  Their son William named his estates in Fairfax County, now Loudoun County, Virginia, Garrallan and Montressor (or variations thereof).  These lands are located near the town of Leesburg, Virginia.

Carl

Hi William

Thank you so much for your prompt reply - I have become frustrated with my search on ancestry.com so was pleased to find this site by google search!  The information that I posted in my profile was gained from a publication which follows the history of James Crawford Douglas and his descendants in Australia and also his brother John "Douglas A Family History 1843-1981" published in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia in 1981.  The reference to the Douglas Homestead is a description of a photo in that book ... but I agree homestead is very much an Australian maybe even American description.

According to my research James Douglas and Elizabeth Douglas nee Crawford had  children Mary Ann b1834, Margaret b1838, John b 1840, James b1842, Jane 1845 and Alexander 1851. Ancestory.com has a record Griffith’s Valuation, 1848-1864 Record for James Douglas listing him with 65and 66

I had stumbled across the same census that you had and can offer the following explanation Alexander is James' Son and is listed as head of house - his wife Essie is listed as the last listing and their Children are in between - the Johnston's live next door and have obviously been long term neighbours as they were also listed in the Griffith's valuation record I mentioned earlier - it would appear that James, wife Elizabeth Crawford's family also lived nearby.

There is a distinct possibility that James was not born in Ballyhay - I am relying on other family trees on ancestory.com  and have not been able to track down a birth certificate as yet ... so the search for his ancestors is a bit tricky ... I am hoping that someone see's this post and can assist.  

Thanks again

Cheers

Ann-Maree

sorry William that should have read 65 and 66 Ballyhay

Hello William,

My maiden name was Morton and my father's family had already traced their family back to coming over with William the Conqueror.All the history was kept in a lovely leather bound book.In the early 70s all I remember from the book was that we were related to James Douglas 4th Earl of Morton and that he'd been beheaded. Armed with that bit of information my now husband and myself travelled up to Edinburgh and went in search of anything to do with James.We went to see the Maiden, went round the castle and Holyrood,we also visited Drochil Castle and took photos. In 1979 my parents divorced and I haven't seen my father or any of his family since. I got married in 1977 and became a Luff, since then all my researching has been on my mothers' family history.I now think  that I would like to learn a bit more about my fathers ancestors although I've now got nothing to go on.

                                           Sonia Luff

Hello William

Our Irish family:

Moses Douglas born 1740's (exact date not yet known), probably in the Lurgan, Armagh area. Married Catherie Marsden of Kinnegoe (Kinnigo), daughter of Robert Marsden of Kinngo, 24 April 1768. Date of death for both unknown.

Their children are as follows:

William Douglas (my ancestor): 1771 - 1860 , Kinnigoe, nr. Lurgan

John Douglas: 1773 - 1779

Mary Douglas: 1775 - ?

Henry Douglas: 1777 - 1852

John Douglas: 1779 - ?

Thomas Douglas: 1781 - ?

Margaret Douglas: 1785 - ? : May have married Thomas Corner 23 August 1813, 

Robert Douglas: 1788 - 1867

Moses Douglas: 1791 - 1873

Hillary Douglas: 1793 - 1849

THE FAMILIES OF THESE SIBLINGS:

Henry Douglas of 1777 married Mary McCabe and lived in Lurgan

• Jane Douglas: 1807 - 1827
• Catherine Douglas: 1810 - 1857
• Sarah Douglas: 1813 - 1878
• Mary Douglas: 1815 - 1877
• Moses Douglas: 1817 - 1878
• William Douglas: 1817 - 1842
• Edward Douglas: 1818- 1845
• Henry Douglas: 1821 - 1859
• John Douglas: 1824 - ?
• Ellen Douglas: 1827 - 1828

John Douglas: unknown if married etc

Thomas Douglas: unknown if married etc

Robert Douglas of Kinnego (per headstone in Old Shankill cemetry, Lurgan:

• married Mary (last name unknown) she died 1868
• Mary Douglas (dates unknown)
• John Douglas (1812 - 1878)
• Nathaniel Douglas ( 1815 - 1872)
• Jane Douglas (1825 - ? )
• Sarah Douglas ( 1831 - 1841)

Moses Douglas of Kinnegoe (Per headstone, Old Shankill Cemetry, Lurgan)

• Married Elizabeth (Eliza) dates and last name unknown
• James Douglas (dates unknown, married Hannah Graham who died young)
• Eleanor Jane Douglas (1824 - ?)
• Catherine Douglas (1826 - 1847)
• John Douglas ( 1826 - ? )
• Thomas Douglas ( 1829 - 1903) Married Jane Eleanor Cotter, had 7 known children, one of whom was Moses Douglas who married Jeannie Allen also of Lurgan.
• Mary DOuglas ( 1831 - ? )

Hillary Douglas of Kinnegoe (per headstone some place)

• Married Mary ( last name unknown: 1797 - 1880)
• Unknown Douglas
• Catherine Douglas
• Harriett Douglas
• Susannah Douglas
• Unknown female Douglas
• Isabella Douglas ( 1821 - 1897)
• Margaret Douglas (1822- 1880)
• Harriet Douglas (2nd one: 1831 - 1905), married Macoun of Kinnego
• Hillary Douglas ( 1831 - 1915) The inheritor of the Douglas lands in Kinnego, died unmarried and left the farms to his grand nephew Henry Anderson
• Moses Douglas (Rev., 1834 - 1913)
• Henry Douglas ( 1835 - 1921)

Haven't included the family of William 1771, as we are his line and have what we need. However, if you need that info can share.

Most of the early recoreds we found in the Shankill Parish records, so believe more clues to our family are in there. I do have more details on the families listed above, but would take a lot to type that out. All these families, for the most part stayed in Lurgan area (Armagh) and then the lines begin to dissapear, partly because male lines die out here and there and also because I have not been able to trace where other lines went to as the generations passed.

Let me know what more you could use. Wuld love to connect with anyone who has Douglas roots to Lurgan and who may relate to us  :o) (We are not the Grace Hall Douglas family).

1921

Hi William, I should add that Hillary in my Douglas line is a name given to males of the family. (Only know of one female Hillary and that is in another Douglas line descended from John Douglas of 1789, Lurgan ... a likely cousin of our William of 1771. We believe that his father was our Moses's brother, yet to be identified).

Jenni

my douglas ancestors the direct line.. sisters and siblings not directly in path please ask about and i will see what i can find..  

william's parents and his birth place are in dispute hoping to resolve this thru dna any one have ideas: 

William Douglas, I  born 

August 9, 1610  Ringstead, Northamptonshire, UK died

July 25, 1682 (71)  New London, New London, CT,  son  William Douglas, II born  April 1, 1645  Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, Usa  died  : March 19, 1724 (78)  New London, Connecticut, United States son  RICHARD4 DOUGLAS July 19, 1682 in New London, CT, and died February 26, 1733/34 son  William Douglas, Capt., Deacon (iii?)  Place of Burial: Ancient Cemetery, New London, New London, CT, USA Birth: January 1, 1708  New London, New London, CT Death: November 13, 1787 (79)  New London, New London, CT, USA son william iv Birth: February 2, 1731  New London, New London, CT Death: October 1, 1805 (74)  New London, New London, CT, USA son william v Birth: September 29, 1753  New London, CT, USA Death: September 17, 1822 (68)  Richmond, Chittenden, Vermont, United States son samuel douglas sr 1783 burlington vt  Death: 1870 (87)  douglas landing (or lousivlle) ny  son samuel douglas jr  1822 louisville ny  Death: 1897 (75)  St Lawrence, NY, USA son  Henry B Douglas 1870 st lawrence ny 1934 st lawrence ny his daugther  Marion LaPoint (Douglas) 1896 st lawrence ny 1992 st lawrence ny her son donald lapoint 1927 malone ny 2012 march 3 (RIP GRANDPA!)  burlington vt his daugther michelle ann lapoint  me..

Actually, this is how far I can go back on my genealogy:

Thank you for the kind welcome.   I am looking over the site and I have some comments to make for sure.

Yes..of Scotland.  My sister found our connection through Hopkins and Beggs.  I'm still fresh in all this but she stumbled upon our connection in her research.  It's very interesting to read all the stories.

Hi

I have tried to go back further

I am stuck at James Douglass born about  1730-1733 based on apprenticeship in 1747.

I have checked more records in England and Scotland, but there is nothing to tie any baptism to my James.

Assuming that the family myth is correct that we originate in Scotland then the best bet might be to trawl wills in the hope of establishing a connection. Ideas gratefully received. Bob

Hi William

Thanks for your welcome.

In answer to your question, my family still live in Scotland but I moved to France some 12 years ago and work here as a Translator (legal, technical documents, etc.).

My geneological research efforts are a bit sporadic but if anyone has any information about my great-grandfather (John Douglas), who left Rothesay about 1874 and reappeared ((age 41) in 1900, it would be welcome. I know he was in the USA (possibly Boston) and worked as an "engine fitter", but did he have a family there before starting our own back in Scotland?

The rest of my reasearches regarding his parents, siblings, etc., have all been reasonably straightforward with all the commonly used Scottish Douglas male forenames (William, James, John, Walter, Archibald) regularly cropping up, but the "lost" 26 years intrigue me.

Regards John Douglas

Thank you William!
I can see this is a very interesting site :) Looking forward to read here.

best regards Kåre