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how the MacKenzie-Douglas line came about

How the MacKenzie-Douglas line came about
The Daughter of Sir Robert 6th Baronet of Glenbervie DOUGLAS
1694–1770  BIRTH 1694 Glenbervie, Kincardineshire, formerly Ardit, Scotland
DEATH 20 APRIL 1770 • Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Lady Janet Douglas married
Kenneth MacKenzie (father Donald 5th of Kilroy)
their son

Select a profile image for Lieutenant-General Sir kenneth Mackenzie-Douglas , 1st Baronet of Glenbervie.
Lieutenant-General Sir kenneth Mackenzie-Douglas , 1st Baronet of Glenbervie1754-1833 
BIRTH 1754  Glenbervie, Kincardineshire, Scotland DEATH 22 NOV 1833  Holles Street, Cavendish Square, London, England 
whether its the same MacKenzie-Douglas you enquire about William? I don't know

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Comment by William Douglas on April 29, 2019 at 22:39
Comment by Jackie Stoddard on April 29, 2019 at 9:06

William from memory   the Douglas in Italy  were they Douglas -Rossi   ? something about Rossi    I remember
 ah no, it was Scotti  wasn't it ?   Douglas-Scotti    is that right?

Comment by Jackie Stoddard on April 29, 2019 at 8:45

Hi William
 Chevaliar Douglas is Definitely on the huge Douglas of Angus tree I have on ,my wall < I will find it
 the building with Swords is the Whangarei Museum < they are Crimean sword as owned by Sir Robert Douglas .
 you will have to come for a holiday the Whangarei where I live
 I can drive you out to Glenbervie here
 and take you to the Museum to see this display
 and if I ask they might show you the Douglas and Drake items in the Archives

Comment by William Douglas on April 22, 2019 at 16:43

Thank you, Jackie, for the MacKenzie-Douglas material.

However, this does not seem to be the same family linkage as for the Chevalier Douglas as he claims to be Baron of Kildin - a different Mackenzie line.

The Mackensie spelling comes from a French source document - I should have made that clear.

Where is the photograph, with swords in the background, taken?  Looks like an interesting building.

Yours aye,


Comment by Jenna Gray on April 22, 2019 at 11:02

Curious - apparently there are Glenbervie Diaries, written by Sylvester Douglas. Someone has them copyrighted, but they seem to have been used to spread scandal about an ancestor of mine who was married to a Douglas (well she was the ancestor) . Could have written by this guy: Hon. Frederick Sylvester North Douglas (1791-1819), 1st Baron Glenb... ? 

Comment by Jackie Stoddard on April 21, 2019 at 0:34

 Bonnie Prince Charles (my 5 X GREAT GRANDFATHER) did use Chevalier as a Psuedonum / as well as Douglas  ( he was SAME born 1720 d 1788 ! as your mentioned Charles-Joseph Douglas, born in 1720, died without posterity in 1788!)

I do know there was a link with the  NZ Glenbervie Douglas (see Whangarei Museum)
a Russian, count Von Trapski, who was close friends with Sir Robert, and gave him his stunningly beautiful furniture (now in Whangarei Museum / near where I live)

Sir Robert Douglas (3rd Bart, who wrote the Peerage of Scotland) fought with Von Trapski ,(maybe a Historic Russian link from Culloden contacts ?) but that was 1800s/early 1900, some of that info and chapter on MacKenzie- Douglas (then changed to just Douglas a couple of generations later) is in “Letters my Grandfather Wrote Me” Bryan Crawford

William this is how some of the Glenbervie Douglas (of which I am, and ironically I live just 15 mins from the NZ Glenbervie / named after our common ancestors land (whether Robert Douglas knew of our Rust / Glenbervie Douglas line I’m unsure, maybe from the book Alexander Rust wrote and mentioned our descent from Glenbervie Douglas) Robert came here to Whangarei NZ (and named Glenbervie , Whangarei , NZ) after our Rust family ( their mother Margaret Douglas Stewart) came here in 1852 from Aberdeenshire ) 

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