I've tried to research this area too. My adopted uncle was a Lutz. There's a Freeland Camp in Saginaw, MI. where a woman named Adele Lutz did nurse mission flight to France and died there. He wasn't her child but info says she had several siblings. Wallenburg and Lutz (You can just put in your search bar) were in MI and Wisconsin for some reason. I don't know if there's a connection. My DNA shows a Cherinawski cousin and one was allowed to stay in England after the war for privacy reasons. There's more but this is things i've read over the years and my only connection is mostly names. My grandfather and his brother retired from Ford. His brother was in the corporate and mine was tool and die.or dye?
I also have pictures. One is on a carboard type substance. It says Grandma LaPointe on the back. My grandfather was in WWII- America - Navy. He had a funeral with the flag, etc. Gun Salutes but I don't know what he did. I had another letter from his dad to Clara. he asked her how much more weight did he need to lose to fly. I don't think he was in WWII. He and Clara divorced. He moved to Galveston, TX. They did bring him back for his burial - I think I was told that. I wonder how we could be related to the Cheverie boys that died in WWII. I think I read there was 3. One weird thing and I have no idea where it is. There was a social security card that had the name, Cora Rodgers. My great grandmother was Clara and none of her sisters were named Cora. There was also a "Brother Archer' that Elizabeth wrote about visiting in a letter.
I'm not desperately trying to connect them. Mine says William from Ireland but I do have 14 letters from the mid 1800's my grandfather kept in a locked room. One letter, written by Elizabeth Matthews, Elizabeth states that she is taking care of Mr. Whitworth. I'd be happy to share. Most of the letters are from the sisters. Clara, Elizabeth's daughter and her sister wrote to each other about how their hens were laying. I do have letters from John II and Clara. He does write, "To My Favorite Cousin." I was trying to see if it's possible that there's a mishap because my grandmother's side is also Canada on her dads side. His was Kimmerly, Anderson, Aquire, Maxson. There's one letter written by Clara. She is in a Catholic hospital and says she's going to be very good to John. She wrote that she could hear "Sister Euphrasia praying in the next room." I have the family line. We are Joseph Lapointe and Nancy Fox. Our Cheverie was from PEI, Canada.
Hi sorry for the delayed reply, regarding Daniel Douglas and
Letitia Dorsett (Dossett) they are my paternal 2nd Great-grandparents born 1854 and 1849 respectively. They are also my current brick wall as i have been unable to find any birth or baptism records for either of them, So far!
May i ask how their names came to be listed on your site?
I actually came across the listing on your site while doing my research which prompted me to “bite the bullet” and join up, TBH i should of joined sooner,
Thanks also for the group suggestion, gonna have look tomorrow, if i can be of assistance regarding rural St Andrew Douglas’s let me know.
Thank you for your welcome. I just discovered this last week through spending time with my eldest brother (middle name Douglas, same as our father) that my mother's parents were from Ireland. I had no idea. I never had a grandmother as one died 6 months before I was born and one died six months after I was born in 1952. News to me this week that I had Irish ancestry as well, must be the Celtic side of me.
I know I am 2/3rds Viking by DNA and our family surname Pink is linked to the Douglas Clan and we use the Douglas tartan as and when appropriate. Roughly about 25% comes via the Douglas route as far as I can tell. I did get my mother to write out her family tree as much as she could remember whilst still alive, not sure what book I put it into now. I need to do a search of books to find it again.
His parents John William, a harbour pilot, and Annie lived at Leazes Street with his siblings. Born at Amble, he lived at Panhaven Road with his wife Janet. He died 19/05/1944, of a coronary thrombosis, aged 56 and is interred in Amble West Cemetery.
The information you sent has put me on a new track which changes my supposition sent earlier of the Edwin T. Douglass being permanently in the harbour at Lyness. I have my father's Log Book and below are the dates of him signing on and off ship. Each voyage was 6 months. The question now is where did he go to. Wherever it was, you will see that he was with J.W. Anderson. Incidentally, Engineer Anderson was married to a woman from Amble where he was buried. I shall continue to follow up later in the day. As I mentioned earlier, I am on holiday in Austria and must go sight-seeing with the family....
South Shields 10/02/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas 146334 ***
WoW! Many many thanks for your immediate reply. The picture is a great help as ius the extra "s" in Douglass.
FYI , I was the former Chieftan of the Athens (Greece) St Andre's Societyabout ten years ago. My mother was a McMillen, my father a Baynes.My DNA is 53% Northern Scotland, Highlands and Islands, 17% Viking, 14% Irish with the balance North West Europe and England. During the war, my father was one of only 3 survivors on a ship called the Empire Airman when it was torpedoed in a convoy in the Atlantic Ocean.
A few months later after a spell at home, he was on another convo, this time to Murmansk in 1943 onboard a ship called the Empire Portia. She was hit by a Stuka dive bomber. at ancorage in Murmansk. Again he survived and returned home to South Shields on the north east coast. He was discharged and the Empire Portia saild to the south coast where she hit a mine and was sunk. Lucky Baynes lived again! Then for some reason his next shipwas the Edwin T. Douglass which lay in Lyness then later Kirkwall. In all he spent more than 2 year there on the same ship which I do not believe ever left the harbour except for the journey from Lyness to Kirkwall. I want to know more. Why was this ship there, who was Edwin T. Doiuglass, did it ever leave harbour etc etc. The other reason is that whilst in Orkney, he apparently fathered a child. I would like to find out who that child was and what happened to them.
Any tiny clue, like the letter 's' would be more than helpful.
A final note, my son it currently attending Glasgow University to become a vet.
I am trying to find more information about the Edwin T. Douglas.
I don't know any exact dates. I was told that my family on my Mother's side (Douglas) came over from Scotland during the Puritan era here in America. Before that they lived in the Douglas Castle and Glasgow area of Scotland. That's about all I know, unfortunately.
Yes, this is my family from Gallatin, Tennessee. I have to dive into this when I have a bit more time but the family of Walter Abraham Douglass who was born in 1853 is my Great-Grandfather and it is missing my grandmother, Helen Augusta Douglass and other information. My mother, who is 97 is assisting with some fo the gaps also.
Thank you for allowing me to join! Yes, that is my family. I have been going off of a family tree that is on FamilySearch.org. It originally showed that my oldest known relative was Alexander Douglas 1730-1800, but that is incorrect, it now shows that he lived 1708-1775 in Cockburn and he was the son of John Douglas II 1689-1742, who was born in St. Cuthberts and died in Edinburgh.
Thank you William. Yes, I did see that listing but it's definitely not the same George Douglas. I have verified records to show that my George Douglas (my great grandfather) married a Hannah Fozard in Yorkshire, UK.
I'm just finding my way around this website at the moment but will come back to you if I need any help. Thank you!
Thank you for the insights provided a few years ago (when I first joined here), William. Admittedly, there have been more pressing matters on my plate since then. Recently, after a quarter century, I have managed to reconnect with my half-sibling, Steven T. Douglas, and his lovely wife, Nancy has been doing genealogy for 40 years. My profile now contains an updated oldest known Douglas ancestor, and I am pleased to inform that my paternal grandmother's 3-great grandfather served at Valley Forge (Adam Calhoun Scott).
I have not forgotten you ,just a lot going on as my Youngest daughter died June 21, 2022 & we are still sorting everything out. Will get back to you as soon as all calms down.. Richard Scotti, St.Charles, MIssouri USA
Yes he was! Richard was my grandfather. He and Brenda had 3 children :
- Shannon Douglas born 2/14/1969 (my father)
- Robin Douglas (my aunt) I’ll get birth dates
- Jason Frederick Douglas (my uncle) also need birth dates
Shannon Douglas married Channa Wells, and had two children:
-Katelyn Elizabeth Douglas 9/10/1988
- Joshua Shannon Douglas 03/30/1990
My parents divorced in 1991, and both remarried. Shannon then married Tami Little, and conceived:
-Jacob Paul Douglas 07/23/1996
- Jenna Lynn Douglas 10/27/2001
My older sister Katelyn Douglas went on to marry David Spangler (since divorced) and conceived :
-Caleb Wyatt Spangler aged 11 (Need birth dates for all of my nephews)
- Henry Wade Spangler
- Griffin Spangler
- Beau Spangler
Having said all of that, I know that my great grandfather (Richards Father) left his wife and kids in the 1950’s, never to reconnect. We later learned that he started a new family, and we have since slowly reconnected. Any additional information on my bloodline would be most appreciated; the rest of my family have reservations about digging into our past. I find it to be terribly interesting. I’ve been told by my grandparents that one of my predecessors came to the States from Scotland within the last couple centuries, and they’ve always stated Lanarkshire as our family’s place of origin. I have no evidence aside from family stories passed down through the generations. Thank you for taking the time to reach out!
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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I've tried to research this area too. My adopted uncle was a Lutz. There's a Freeland Camp in Saginaw, MI. where a woman named Adele Lutz did nurse mission flight to France and died there. He wasn't her child but info says she had several siblings. Wallenburg and Lutz (You can just put in your search bar) were in MI and Wisconsin for some reason. I don't know if there's a connection. My DNA shows a Cherinawski cousin and one was allowed to stay in England after the war for privacy reasons. There's more but this is things i've read over the years and my only connection is mostly names. My grandfather and his brother retired from Ford. His brother was in the corporate and mine was tool and die.or dye?
I also have pictures. One is on a carboard type substance. It says Grandma LaPointe on the back. My grandfather was in WWII- America - Navy. He had a funeral with the flag, etc. Gun Salutes but I don't know what he did. I had another letter from his dad to Clara. he asked her how much more weight did he need to lose to fly. I don't think he was in WWII. He and Clara divorced. He moved to Galveston, TX. They did bring him back for his burial - I think I was told that. I wonder how we could be related to the Cheverie boys that died in WWII. I think I read there was 3. One weird thing and I have no idea where it is. There was a social security card that had the name, Cora Rodgers. My great grandmother was Clara and none of her sisters were named Cora. There was also a "Brother Archer' that Elizabeth wrote about visiting in a letter.
William,
I'm not desperately trying to connect them. Mine says William from Ireland but I do have 14 letters from the mid 1800's my grandfather kept in a locked room. One letter, written by Elizabeth Matthews, Elizabeth states that she is taking care of Mr. Whitworth. I'd be happy to share. Most of the letters are from the sisters. Clara, Elizabeth's daughter and her sister wrote to each other about how their hens were laying. I do have letters from John II and Clara. He does write, "To My Favorite Cousin." I was trying to see if it's possible that there's a mishap because my grandmother's side is also Canada on her dads side. His was Kimmerly, Anderson, Aquire, Maxson. There's one letter written by Clara. She is in a Catholic hospital and says she's going to be very good to John. She wrote that she could hear "Sister Euphrasia praying in the next room." I have the family line. We are Joseph Lapointe and Nancy Fox. Our Cheverie was from PEI, Canada.
Hi sorry for the delayed reply, regarding Daniel Douglas and
Letitia Dorsett (Dossett) they are my paternal 2nd Great-grandparents born 1854 and 1849 respectively. They are also my current brick wall as i have been unable to find any birth or baptism records for either of them, So far!
May i ask how their names came to be listed on your site?
I actually came across the listing on your site while doing my research which prompted me to “bite the bullet” and join up, TBH i should of joined sooner,
Thanks also for the group suggestion, gonna have look tomorrow, if i can be of assistance regarding rural St Andrew Douglas’s let me know.
Simon
Hi William,
Thank you for your welcome. I just discovered this last week through spending time with my eldest brother (middle name Douglas, same as our father) that my mother's parents were from Ireland. I had no idea. I never had a grandmother as one died 6 months before I was born and one died six months after I was born in 1952. News to me this week that I had Irish ancestry as well, must be the Celtic side of me.
I know I am 2/3rds Viking by DNA and our family surname Pink is linked to the Douglas Clan and we use the Douglas tartan as and when appropriate. Roughly about 25% comes via the Douglas route as far as I can tell. I did get my mother to write out her family tree as much as she could remember whilst still alive, not sure what book I put it into now. I need to do a search of books to find it again.
I have found Mr Edwin T. Douglass...the man in the picture you sent and the man after whom the ship was named. Here is a link to show it:
My next step is to identify where the ship sailed to and from on its 6 monthly trips.
Many thanks for your assistance.
Tony Baynes
1944%20death%20John%20William%20Anderson%20S.S.%20Edwin%20T%20Douglas.png1944%20death%20J.W.%20Anderson%20re%20Edwin%20T.%20Douglass.pngRe earlier conversation:
ANDERSON John William, Chief Engineer 8736, S.S. ‘Edwin T. Douglas’, Merchant Navy.
His parents John William, a harbour pilot, and Annie lived at Leazes Street with his siblings. Born at Amble, he lived at Panhaven Road with his wife Janet. He died 19/05/1944, of a coronary thrombosis, aged 56 and is interred in Amble West Cemetery.
Good Morning William,
The information you sent has put me on a new track which changes my supposition sent earlier of the Edwin T. Douglass being permanently in the harbour at Lyness. I have my father's Log Book and below are the dates of him signing on and off ship. Each voyage was 6 months. The question now is where did he go to. Wherever it was, you will see that he was with J.W. Anderson. Incidentally, Engineer Anderson was married to a woman from Amble where he was buried. I shall continue to follow up later in the day. As I mentioned earlier, I am on holiday in Austria and must go sight-seeing with the family....
South Shields 10/02/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas 146334 ***
Lyness 08/08/1944 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 09/08/1944 Sign On Edwin T. Douglas
Lyness 07/02/1945 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/02/1945 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/08/1945 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Lyness 08/08/1945 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 05/02/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 06/02/1946 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 06/05/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Kirkwall 07/05/1946 Sign On Edwin T.Douglas
Blyth 25/08/1946 Sign Off Edwin T.Douglas
Apologies for the typos. I am on holiday with a poor internet signal and a poor keyboard.
WoW! Many many thanks for your immediate reply. The picture is a great help as ius the extra "s" in Douglass.
FYI , I was the former Chieftan of the Athens (Greece) St Andre's Societyabout ten years ago. My mother was a McMillen, my father a Baynes.My DNA is 53% Northern Scotland, Highlands and Islands, 17% Viking, 14% Irish with the balance North West Europe and England. During the war, my father was one of only 3 survivors on a ship called the Empire Airman when it was torpedoed in a convoy in the Atlantic Ocean.
A few months later after a spell at home, he was on another convo, this time to Murmansk in 1943 onboard a ship called the Empire Portia. She was hit by a Stuka dive bomber. at ancorage in Murmansk. Again he survived and returned home to South Shields on the north east coast. He was discharged and the Empire Portia saild to the south coast where she hit a mine and was sunk. Lucky Baynes lived again! Then for some reason his next shipwas the Edwin T. Douglass which lay in Lyness then later Kirkwall. In all he spent more than 2 year there on the same ship which I do not believe ever left the harbour except for the journey from Lyness to Kirkwall. I want to know more. Why was this ship there, who was Edwin T. Doiuglass, did it ever leave harbour etc etc. The other reason is that whilst in Orkney, he apparently fathered a child. I would like to find out who that child was and what happened to them.
Any tiny clue, like the letter 's' would be more than helpful.
A final note, my son it currently attending Glasgow University to become a vet.
I am trying to find more information about the Edwin T. Douglas.
Update: If the information on familysearch and ancestry is correct, then James Monroe Douglas was born James Monroe DouglasS!!
Hi William, thank you for your message! Here is what I have found in addition to a few other census records
I don't know any exact dates. I was told that my family on my Mother's side (Douglas) came over from Scotland during the Puritan era here in America. Before that they lived in the Douglas Castle and Glasgow area of Scotland. That's about all I know, unfortunately.
Yes, this is my family from Gallatin, Tennessee. I have to dive into this when I have a bit more time but the family of Walter Abraham Douglass who was born in 1853 is my Great-Grandfather and it is missing my grandmother, Helen Augusta Douglass and other information. My mother, who is 97 is assisting with some fo the gaps also.
Hi William,
Thank you for allowing me to join! Yes, that is my family. I have been going off of a family tree that is on FamilySearch.org. It originally showed that my oldest known relative was Alexander Douglas 1730-1800, but that is incorrect, it now shows that he lived 1708-1775 in Cockburn and he was the son of John Douglas II 1689-1742, who was born in St. Cuthberts and died in Edinburgh.
-Jennifer
Thank you William. Yes, I did see that listing but it's definitely not the same George Douglas. I have verified records to show that my George Douglas (my great grandfather) married a Hannah Fozard in Yorkshire, UK.
I'm just finding my way around this website at the moment but will come back to you if I need any help. Thank you!
Thank you for the insights provided a few years ago (when I first joined here), William. Admittedly, there have been more pressing matters on my plate since then. Recently, after a quarter century, I have managed to reconnect with my half-sibling, Steven T. Douglas, and his lovely wife, Nancy has been doing genealogy for 40 years. My profile now contains an updated oldest known Douglas ancestor, and I am pleased to inform that my paternal grandmother's 3-great grandfather served at Valley Forge (Adam Calhoun Scott).
Yes, i have seen that information. Sadly there is no new things on it.
There was many families from Scotland who did stay in Finland : Montgomery, Forbes, Udine, Ogilvy, Teit or Tait,
Clark, Fotheringham, Leslie, Finlayson, and more. Ofcourse lastnames were changed here, or they got different spelling.
I have not forgotten you ,just a lot going on as my Youngest daughter died June 21, 2022 & we are still sorting everything out. Will get back to you as soon as all calms down.. Richard Scotti, St.Charles, MIssouri USA
Yes he was! Richard was my grandfather. He and Brenda had 3 children :
- Shannon Douglas born 2/14/1969 (my father)
- Robin Douglas (my aunt) I’ll get birth dates
- Jason Frederick Douglas (my uncle) also need birth dates
Shannon Douglas married Channa Wells, and had two children:
-Katelyn Elizabeth Douglas 9/10/1988
- Joshua Shannon Douglas 03/30/1990
My parents divorced in 1991, and both remarried. Shannon then married Tami Little, and conceived:
-Jacob Paul Douglas 07/23/1996
- Jenna Lynn Douglas 10/27/2001
My older sister Katelyn Douglas went on to marry David Spangler (since divorced) and conceived :
-Caleb Wyatt Spangler aged 11 (Need birth dates for all of my nephews)
- Henry Wade Spangler
- Griffin Spangler
- Beau Spangler
Having said all of that, I know that my great grandfather (Richards Father) left his wife and kids in the 1950’s, never to reconnect. We later learned that he started a new family, and we have since slowly reconnected. Any additional information on my bloodline would be most appreciated; the rest of my family have reservations about digging into our past. I find it to be terribly interesting. I’ve been told by my grandparents that one of my predecessors came to the States from Scotland within the last couple centuries, and they’ve always stated Lanarkshire as our family’s place of origin. I have no evidence aside from family stories passed down through the generations. Thank you for taking the time to reach out!
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