Thank you for allowing me to join the group. I am trying to trace the Ancestors of James Douglas my 3x great grandfather, born we think in 1801 in Dundalk, County Lough, Southern Ireland.
My research so far has taken the following route. I knew that my maternal Great Grandfather was Frederick Douglas Born1869, as evidenced by family chat and old family documents. The1871 Census showed him living in Berkshire with his father William Douglas born 1843 in Standlake, Oxfordshire, together with his mother Harriet and his siblings. I then found William in the 1851 census living in the St Mary Magdalen area of Oxford showing his father James Douglas, then aged 50, occupation coal labourer, and his mother Jane. James's mother-in-law Susan Douglas Crapper, aged 88, was also living with them.. They had 11 children together and stayed in Oxford for the rest of their lives. He died at the age of 64. We have not managed to find any formal records of the Crapper family. James recorded his birthplace as Dun Dock (Dundalk) Ireland.
Its at that point I’ve hit a brick wall and would be delighted to hear from anyone who’s research has come across a Douglas family in Ireland.
I had noticed that there were two different sets of parents listed for William Douglas. Is there any way to find out for sure? I'm happy to do the detective work, if it's even possible to find the answer. As soon as lockdowns are lifted I am going to be headed for Wigton, Edinburgh, Cockpen, and a few other locations to do some research.
Information for Terence Douglas from 1821 Ireland census says living in Bective, County Meath, Ireland, former with wife Mary and children Edward, Mary and Patrick. Edward had birth record born in Navan, Meath, Ireland in 1800 with parents Terence Douglas and Mary Murray. I am trying to track the Ireland ancestors.
William, Curtiss Finch Douglass was a lawyer and judge in Noroton Heights, CT. He was my great grandfather, probably would have been in his prime during around 1900. He's the oldest known Douglass my family is aware of. I've not started research into it.
"William, I see mention of DNA here has it ruled any Douglas lines out? My great grandmother told my mother now gone as well that we were from Robert the Bruce via her Douglas line. What is the facts? Kathy McInnis-Misenor Friday
Good to meet you at the opening of the Douglas Monteith memorial opening. Seriously, if you want more info, get my book "Lord of the Skies" from Lulu.com. It is largely about my father, who died (actually disappeared for 2 years) in an air crash in West Africa.
Briefly, my grandfather was the 13th Duke of Hamilton, and I have quite a lot of information which could be of interest to you.
Hello, I am very pleased to have been admitted to the Douglas Archives. The info I have is that late eighteen/early nineteen hundred, there was an outbreak of ??? in Edinburgh and Caroline Douglas was sent to Robert Harden, Station Master in Kilsyth. Her father had a Saddler's shop in the Grassmarket, but I haven't beenable to find anything on this. Someone from the Registrar's came through and told them they were related to the Black Douglas. They named their cottage Douglas Cottage and recently the name was changed. I hope this will help and if I can find any more info I will let you know. I find this all so interestin g and meaningful. Thank you. Isabel
Thank you William for accepting me into the Douglas Clan history I absolutely love the article on the haunting at Cavers very interesting indeed. Clarice Douglas
At 22:50 on September 18, 2019, Paul Douglas said…
It seems my ancestor changed his name from James Affleck to James Douglas somewhere between 1883 and 1895. I am somewhat surprised and extremely dissapointed to find this out but intrigued also. There does not seem to be a link to the Douglas name before this as yet. Thank you for your help and this site.
Hello, William and thanks for the welcome. I don't understand enough about the DNA stuff yet, but it's interesting. On my Dickey side, my haplogroup is I-M253. I don't have any Douglases there though that I recall.
On my mother's side, I have a Robbins whose mother was a Merrill and her grandmother was a Douglas, supposedly descended from William Douglas (1610 - 1682), but her haplogroup is H1.
Still trying to figure out how I can connect all of the pieces.
I am busy compiling my family tree at the moment. I have all of the documentation back to the 1300's positive back to 1669 with William Douglas who was the son of William (4th of Kirkness) Douglas. My Scottish ancestory started with John Douglas 1715 who moved to North Yorkshire and the family ended up in Seaham Harbour near Sunderland. Which is where I am from.
The Thomas born in 1824 is mysterious. I'm confident that he married Margaret Smollen, who I found in Irish records as born in 1822 in Collinstown, Westmeath, Ireland. According to the 1850 census, their son Thomas F. Douglass was born in 1848 in Ireland, their next child, Mary, was born in Philadelphia in 1850, so that brackets the years they could have emigrated fairly closely. That 1850 census lists his profession as tailor. Thomas (1824) died before the 1860 census (Margaret is listed as widowed in other documents, and I have a record of his burial here in Philadelphia.
There are two other Douglasses that died that same month and are buried in the same place - Thomas (born 1857) and Elizabeth (born 1832). They might be part of the puzzle, or they might be just a coincidence.
What I don't have is any idea of where in Ireland they came from. So going backward, which is what I'm trying to do now, what I have is more circumstantial. Thomas could actually be born in County Cork in 1827, but it looks more likely to be Clones, Monaghan, where I found baptismal records from 1827 that shows he was born in 1824. From there, there's a Thomas born in 1802, married to Fanny Litle, who is my best guess at Thomas's father, given everything, but now I manage to be both out-on-a-limb and up against a brick wll.
Hi William. I have not been on the archives in a while and had left all my information but somehow can't find it .
My Major James Douglas was born Springwood Park Roxburgh 25/9/1768.He was sent out to India as a 16 year old cadet in East India Company.He had four children to a Indian Bibi.Rachel Douglas born1797 Bombay, Catherine born 1799 Bombay, Mary born1801 Bombay and James born1804 Bombay.
Major James Douglas died 1814 at his estate Edenside Kelso.
I have tried to find his parents and all I can find is a baptism for 22/3/1769 Ancrum Roxburgh father given as James Douglas.
Being born at Springwood Park the home of the Douglas nobility.
Rachael Douglas married James White a surgeon in Edinburgh 27/2/1821 at Saint Cuthberts and her brother James Douglas was also a surgeon.
They migrated to Australia with their children and her sisters and brother on the Kohinoor in 1852.
Hi..my 2x GF was Lemuel Douglas b. 1811 in NOrth Carolina USA. He died in Orange County NC 1893 and is buried there..
His children, according to 1880 census, were Susan J, Martha F, John M, Levi W, Joseph Y, Sely A, and youngest, William Andrew Douglas, my 1x great grandfather, whom I was named after.
Lemuel was married to Frances Browning.
I have found in 1755 tax list from Orange County a John Douglas. The 1779 tax list has John Douglas, David Douglas, and William Douglas. None of them have wills that I can locate, only probate files with no family information, outside of of a probate for a John Douglas from 1816 with a widow of Margaret. I don’t know if this is the same John on the 3 tax lists.
I need help past Lemuel. I can’t find out his parents names, and thus, can’t connect him to one of the 3 Douglas’ on the tax lists. Please help if anyone knows anything about these Orange County NC Douglas’s.
William Andrew Broadway
Swansea IL USA
I am not sure how to reply. William Douglas, yes, I believe we have touched base before. I have a typed out "history" written by my Aunt Lucille Douglas. It's a bit romanticized. I have some pictures of ancestors. My Father Angus Dearborn Douglas was born in...…….Dearborn Michigan. Due to an unfortunate tendency to have female children, I am the last of this Line. It's too bad, I can trace back to 1638. If there is a way to maneuver on here I would love to scan and post my pictures and stories. It may be of interest to Douglases in Massachusetts, Ohio and Michigan.
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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Thank you for allowing me to join the group. I am trying to trace the Ancestors of James Douglas my 3x great grandfather, born we think in 1801 in Dundalk, County Lough, Southern Ireland.
My research so far has taken the following route. I knew that my maternal Great Grandfather was Frederick Douglas Born1869, as evidenced by family chat and old family documents. The1871 Census showed him living in Berkshire with his father William Douglas born 1843 in Standlake, Oxfordshire, together with his mother Harriet and his siblings. I then found William in the 1851 census living in the St Mary Magdalen area of Oxford showing his father James Douglas, then aged 50, occupation coal labourer, and his mother Jane. James's mother-in-law Susan Douglas Crapper, aged 88, was also living with them.. They had 11 children together and stayed in Oxford for the rest of their lives. He died at the age of 64. We have not managed to find any formal records of the Crapper family. James recorded his birthplace as Dun Dock (Dundalk) Ireland.
Its at that point I’ve hit a brick wall and would be delighted to hear from anyone who’s research has come across a Douglas family in Ireland.
Thanks William!
I had noticed that there were two different sets of parents listed for William Douglas. Is there any way to find out for sure? I'm happy to do the detective work, if it's even possible to find the answer. As soon as lockdowns are lifted I am going to be headed for Wigton, Edinburgh, Cockpen, and a few other locations to do some research.
Kara
Information for Terence Douglas from 1821 Ireland census says living in Bective, County Meath, Ireland, former with wife Mary and children Edward, Mary and Patrick. Edward had birth record born in Navan, Meath, Ireland in 1800 with parents Terence Douglas and Mary Murray. I am trying to track the Ireland ancestors.
Thank you
William, Curtiss Finch Douglass was a lawyer and judge in Noroton Heights, CT. He was my great grandfather, probably would have been in his prime during around 1900. He's the oldest known Douglass my family is aware of. I've not started research into it.
"William, I see mention of DNA here has it ruled any Douglas lines out? My great grandmother told my mother now gone as well that we were from Robert the Bruce via her Douglas line. What is the facts? Kathy McInnis-Misenor
Friday
William maybe but I will turn it into an adventure thanks
Good to meet you at the opening of the Douglas Monteith memorial opening. Seriously, if you want more info, get my book "Lord of the Skies" from Lulu.com. It is largely about my father, who died (actually disappeared for 2 years) in an air crash in West Africa.
Briefly, my grandfather was the 13th Duke of Hamilton, and I have quite a lot of information which could be of interest to you.
William,
Thanks!
Regards,
Jeff
Hello, I am very pleased to have been admitted to the Douglas Archives. The info I have is that late eighteen/early nineteen hundred, there was an outbreak of ??? in Edinburgh and Caroline Douglas was sent to Robert Harden, Station Master in Kilsyth. Her father had a Saddler's shop in the Grassmarket, but I haven't beenable to find anything on this. Someone from the Registrar's came through and told them they were related to the Black Douglas. They named their cottage Douglas Cottage and recently the name was changed. I hope this will help and if I can find any more info I will let you know. I find this all so interestin g and meaningful. Thank you. Isabel
Thank you William for the pdf wonderful read I am sure
Thank you William for accepting me into the Douglas Clan history I absolutely love the article on the haunting at Cavers very interesting indeed. Clarice Douglas
It seems my ancestor changed his name from James Affleck to James Douglas somewhere between 1883 and 1895. I am somewhat surprised and extremely dissapointed to find this out but intrigued also. There does not seem to be a link to the Douglas name before this as yet. Thank you for your help and this site.
Paul
Hello, William and thanks for the welcome. I don't understand enough about the DNA stuff yet, but it's interesting. On my Dickey side, my haplogroup is I-M253. I don't have any Douglases there though that I recall.
On my mother's side, I have a Robbins whose mother was a Merrill and her grandmother was a Douglas, supposedly descended from William Douglas (1610 - 1682), but her haplogroup is H1.
Still trying to figure out how I can connect all of the pieces.
Darrin Dickey
I-M253
HI William
I am busy compiling my family tree at the moment. I have all of the documentation back to the 1300's positive back to 1669 with William Douglas who was the son of William (4th of Kirkness) Douglas. My Scottish ancestory started with John Douglas 1715 who moved to North Yorkshire and the family ended up in Seaham Harbour near Sunderland. Which is where I am from.
Hi William, and thank you!
The Thomas born in 1824 is mysterious. I'm confident that he married Margaret Smollen, who I found in Irish records as born in 1822 in Collinstown, Westmeath, Ireland. According to the 1850 census, their son Thomas F. Douglass was born in 1848 in Ireland, their next child, Mary, was born in Philadelphia in 1850, so that brackets the years they could have emigrated fairly closely. That 1850 census lists his profession as tailor. Thomas (1824) died before the 1860 census (Margaret is listed as widowed in other documents, and I have a record of his burial here in Philadelphia.
There are two other Douglasses that died that same month and are buried in the same place - Thomas (born 1857) and Elizabeth (born 1832). They might be part of the puzzle, or they might be just a coincidence.
What I don't have is any idea of where in Ireland they came from. So going backward, which is what I'm trying to do now, what I have is more circumstantial. Thomas could actually be born in County Cork in 1827, but it looks more likely to be Clones, Monaghan, where I found baptismal records from 1827 that shows he was born in 1824. From there, there's a Thomas born in 1802, married to Fanny Litle, who is my best guess at Thomas's father, given everything, but now I manage to be both out-on-a-limb and up against a brick wll.
Hi William. I have not been on the archives in a while and had left all my information but somehow can't find it .
My Major James Douglas was born Springwood Park Roxburgh 25/9/1768.He was sent out to India as a 16 year old cadet in East India Company.He had four children to a Indian Bibi.Rachel Douglas born1797 Bombay, Catherine born 1799 Bombay, Mary born1801 Bombay and James born1804 Bombay.
Major James Douglas died 1814 at his estate Edenside Kelso.
I have tried to find his parents and all I can find is a baptism for 22/3/1769 Ancrum Roxburgh father given as James Douglas.
Being born at Springwood Park the home of the Douglas nobility.
Rachael Douglas married James White a surgeon in Edinburgh 27/2/1821 at Saint Cuthberts and her brother James Douglas was also a surgeon.
They migrated to Australia with their children and her sisters and brother on the Kohinoor in 1852.
Yes, that is the Alexander William Douglas I can trace back to. Then I guess I am stuck.
His children, according to 1880 census, were Susan J, Martha F, John M, Levi W, Joseph Y, Sely A, and youngest, William Andrew Douglas, my 1x great grandfather, whom I was named after.
Lemuel was married to Frances Browning.
I have found in 1755 tax list from Orange County a John Douglas. The 1779 tax list has John Douglas, David Douglas, and William Douglas. None of them have wills that I can locate, only probate files with no family information, outside of of a probate for a John Douglas from 1816 with a widow of Margaret. I don’t know if this is the same John on the 3 tax lists.
I need help past Lemuel. I can’t find out his parents names, and thus, can’t connect him to one of the 3 Douglas’ on the tax lists. Please help if anyone knows anything about these Orange County NC Douglas’s.
William Andrew Broadway
Swansea IL USA
I am not sure how to reply. William Douglas, yes, I believe we have touched base before. I have a typed out "history" written by my Aunt Lucille Douglas. It's a bit romanticized. I have some pictures of ancestors. My Father Angus Dearborn Douglas was born in...…….Dearborn Michigan. Due to an unfortunate tendency to have female children, I am the last of this Line. It's too bad, I can trace back to 1638. If there is a way to maneuver on here I would love to scan and post my pictures and stories. It may be of interest to Douglases in Massachusetts, Ohio and Michigan.
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
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