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Hugh, son of Ingebald - and Peter son of Ingebald .

 Sons of Ingebald . 

    I recently turned up another reference  to Hugh son of Ingebald - in my readings of May G Williamson's  Non celtic place names and other articles it was suggested that Ingebald was only referred to in Hugh's name , but no firsthand  references- and that this was possibly the only one ...... 

 Then I  found references  to Peter son on Ingebald  -

   ....''In1248 the Bishop of St. Andrews seems to have success-
fully resisted the intrusion of a certain Canon of Florence,
' son of Spilatti, citizen of Florence,' into one of the
parishes of his diocese. In the same year the Pope,
moved no doubt by remonstrances from this country,
graciously declared that in consideration that the Cathedral
of Glasgow was burdened by having to make provision
for four Italians, while there were only nine prebends and
five dignities, it should not be necessary to make provision
for any other until the death or resignation of one of
the Italians.^ Only one week, however, after this indult
was signed, we find the Pope commanding the Bishop
of Moray to make provision to Peter, son of Ingebald,
a ' Roman citizen,' of one or more benefices in the diocese
of St. Andrews,- while two years earlier, for this same
Peter, the Pope had ordered the Abbey of Dunfermline to
provide a benefice of 20 marks in value.^''......  

 

^Piipai Registers, 12 Kal. Mali, 1248. ^ Ibid. 5 Kal. Mali, 1248.

^Ibid. I I Kal. Mail, 1246. *2 Non. Mail and 3 Kal. Jun. 1247.

'^Non. Oct. 1247.

6 Cases now and then occur (but they arc not numerous) where Scottish
ecclesiastics, apparently serving in Scotland, were granted benefices abroad.

The most notable examples belong to the close of our period. Forman,
Then I find this document 
Charter by Robert Bruce to Ivo and his heirs, of a place between the fishings of Blawad and the water of Esk, for fishing and spreading his nets. Circa a.d.1190. 
  Robertus de Brtjis, omnibus hominibus suis et amicis, salutem. Soiatis me dedisse et concessisse et hae carta mea confinnasse Iuoni et heredi'ous suis locum qui est inter piscariam de Blawad et aquam de Hesch; tenendum de me et heredibus meis ad piscarias suas faciendas et retia tendenda, libere et quiete ; reddendo miehi annuatim unam libram piperis, uel sex denarios ; hiis testibus, Petro de Humez, Hugone de Corri, Hugone filio Ingebaldi, Eoberto de Hodelmia, Waltero de Bosco, Humfrido del Gardine, Ricardo Flammanc, Henrico filio Gerardi.   
Google translation 
Robert de Bruce Greetings to all his people and friends. You have promised that I have given and granted, and that these charters of mine have confined to John and his heirs the place which is between the fishery of Blawad and the water of Hesch; to be held of me and my heirs to make their fisheries and to draw their nets, freely and quietly; paying to my wife one pound of pepper annually, or six denarii; these witnesses, Peter de Humez, Hugh de Corri, Hugh the son of Ingebald, Eobert de Hodelmia, Walter de Bosco, Humfrid del Gardine, Richard the Flamanc, Henry the son of Gerard.
original source cited:  Original charter in Drumlanrig Charter-chest. 
source : PDF , CHARTERS OF THE JOHNSTONES OF JOHNSTONE,
EARLS AND MARQUISES OF ANNANDALE.

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Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on May 9, 2023 at 21:25

In Catholic canon law, an indult is a permission or privilege, granted by the competent church authority – the Holy See or the diocesan bishop, as the case may be – for an exception from a particular norm of church law in an individual case. 

...''Only one week, however, after this indult
was signed, we find the Pope commanding the Bishop
of Moray to make provision to Peter, son of Ingebald,
a ' Roman citizen,' of one or more benefices in the diocese
of St. Andrews,- while two years earlier, for this same
Peter, the Pope had ordered the Abbey of Dunfermline to
provide a benefice of 20 marks in value.''... Hmmm

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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

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