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Hugh, son of Ingebald - and Peter son of Ingebald .
Sons of Ingebald .
I recently turned up another reference to Hugh son of Ingebald - in my readings of May G Williamson's Non celtic place names and other articles it was suggested that Ingebald was only referred to in Hugh's name , but no firsthand references- and that this was possibly the only one ......
Then I found references to Peter son on Ingebald -
....''In1248 the Bishop of St. Andrews seems to have success-
fully resisted the intrusion of a certain Canon of Florence,
' son of Spilatti, citizen of Florence,' into one of the
parishes of his diocese. In the same year the Pope,
moved no doubt by remonstrances from this country,
graciously declared that in consideration that the Cathedral
of Glasgow was burdened by having to make provision
for four Italians, while there were only nine prebends and
five dignities, it should not be necessary to make provision
for any other until the death or resignation of one of
the Italians.^ Only one week, however, after this indult
was signed, we find the Pope commanding the Bishop
of Moray to make provision to Peter, son of Ingebald,
a ' Roman citizen,' of one or more benefices in the diocese
of St. Andrews,- while two years earlier, for this same
Peter, the Pope had ordered the Abbey of Dunfermline to
provide a benefice of 20 marks in value.^''......
^Ibid. I I Kal. Mail, 1246. *2 Non. Mail and 3 Kal. Jun. 1247.
'^Non. Oct. 1247.
6 Cases now and then occur (but they arc not numerous) where Scottish
ecclesiastics, apparently serving in Scotland, were granted benefices abroad.
The most notable examples belong to the close of our period. Forman,
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Comment by Ronald Drysdale on Monday
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When we look at the source material for Ingebald of Kelso, he's named alongside one 'Walter son of Heck' but the POMS entry isn't quite so sure on this and gives the translation as 'Walter of Heck'.
Heck is a very small village, close to Lochmaben and less than a mile from the parish border with Dryfesdale (River Annan)
In 1851 Heck had 57 inhabitants & Heck's main claim to fame is that it is one of the Royal Four Towns of Lochmaben.
https://www.royalfourtowns.com/heck-village/
So Ingebald was possibly a joint landholder with Walter of Heck in Kelso and also a neighbour of his in Dryfesdale.
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It's possible there may be a connection between Ingebald of Kelso and Peter, son of Ingebald (a Roman citizen?)
- the Abbey of Kelchou referred to in the source is the Abbey of Kelso
POMS reference
https://poms.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/record/factoid/35352/
Ref: Calendar of entries in the Papal registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland. Papal letters
Ref: The monastic annals of Teviotdale
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Ingebald, living in Kelso (about 60 miles from Dryfesdale) circa 1195
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Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on May 9, 2023 at 21:25
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In Catholic canon law, an indult is a permission or privilege, granted by the competent church authority – the Holy See or the diocesan bishop, as the case may be – for an exception from a particular norm of church law in an individual case.
...''Only one week, however, after this indult
was signed, we find the Pope commanding the Bishop
of Moray to make provision to Peter, son of Ingebald,
a ' Roman citizen,' of one or more benefices in the diocese
of St. Andrews,- while two years earlier, for this same
Peter, the Pope had ordered the Abbey of Dunfermline to
provide a benefice of 20 marks in value.''... Hmmm
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