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A member of the Methven family recently shared their family crest.

I was not aware of a familial linkage so have done some research, which may or may not be accurate as the heart in this image is not 'flaming'.

Here's what I found:

The Methven coat of arms does not traditionally include a heart. While some Smith families (who are associated with Methven through the Smythes of Methven line) have used a flaming heart crest, this is not the official crest of the Methven name itself. The Smythe of Methven crest is a dolphin, with the motto "Mediis Tranquillus in Undis" (calm in the midst of waters). The flaming heart crest, sometimes seen, belongs to a Smith merchant family of Edinburgh and is also associated with Mackenzie of Redcastle, not Methven.

Methven Name Origin:
The surname Methven is derived from the place name Methven near Perth, Scotland, possibly meaning "middle stone".
Smythes of Methven:
The Smythe family acquired lands and Methven Castle in 1664 and are a prominent Methven family. Their crest is a dolphin, not a heart.
Smith Crest:
While some Smith families, including those associated with Methven, have used a flaming heart crest, this is not the Methven coat of arms.
Flaming Heart Crest:
The flaming heart crest is associated with the Smith merchant family of Edinburgh and Mackenzie of Redcastle, not the Methven clan.

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Making conections

The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

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