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I saw this piece posted years ago - and I knew part of it was wrong and some of it is very questionable, even contradictory with a lie or two for good measure. However I did not write this.

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Both James and Christina were born in Fife, Scotland. Fife ([ˈfəif]; Scottish Gaelic: Fìobha) is a council area and former county of Scotland. It is situated between the Firth of Tay and the Firth of Forth, with inland boundaries to Perth and Kinross and Clackmannanshire. It was once one of the major Pictish kingdoms, known as Fib, and is still commonly known as the Kingdom of Fife within Scotland. A person from Fife is known as a Fifer. Fife was a local government region divided into three districts: Dunfermline, Kirkcaldy and North-East Fife. James and Christina married on Aug. 3 1833 in Dunfermline, Scotland. The 1841 census shows 5 children living in the home with them, James Jr., John, Andrew, Jane, and Margaret. Which shows that James, their first born was born about 2 years after the couple were married. Their address is recorded as Moodies st. #57, in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. Then in an 1851 census, it lists Christine and James as having a new address in Hulme, Lancanshire England. Again, all the children are listed as well, with the addition of Joseph Drysdale. It also notes that James was a carpenter by trade.On May 23 1855, both James and Christina Drysdale are listed on a passenger list aboard the S Curling departing Liverpool, England and arriving in New York. It also notes their final destination as being Salt Lake City, Utah. On the document it lists James as being 42 and Christina being 48. Interestingly, however, not all of the children were listed as passengers. Margaret was listed as 14 years of age and the only traveler aboard the ship. This would make sense as she was the youngest daughter and unwed at the time.James and Christina were of the Mormon faith. A document was recovered from the Milo Andrus Company describing a Christina Drysdale (48) and a James Drysdale (42) as traveling from the outfitting post at Mormon Grove, KANSAS on August 4, 1855 and arriving in Salt Lake Valley on October 24 1855. From the first pioneer company to enter the Salt Lake Valley in July 1847 through the arduous journey of the handcart pioneers and the much later "Pullman pioneers," there was a marked British presence in Utah. They were not, of course, the first Britons to view America as Zion; an earlier group of "Saints" had viewed their settlement in New England as part of a divine plan to civilize the wilderness and set the light of true religion upon a hill. But these Mormon counterparts of Pilgrims and Puritans were no less avid in their belief that their journey was but a precursor to the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth, aided and abetted by one of the most efficiently organized mass emigration schemes to ply the Atlantic routes.

In 1848 Franklin D. Richards led a company of some one hundred thirty British Saints to Utah and so reestablished large-scale Mormon migration, the practice having been temporarily discontinued.

> Information obtained from the Utah 1856 census shows a James Drysdale residing in Cedar county, in North Kanyon ward, giving us further proof that the couple made it to their destination.< Commentary Nope -This is James Drysdale Junior , The James Drysdale SR the author is providing ''further proof ''- is actually James Drysdale Junior, John Drysdales brother >

James and Christina were in Utah during the 1857-1858 Utah Wars on Mormonism. As The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints settled in what became the Utah Territory it eventually was subjected to the power and opinion of the United States. Friction first began to show in the James Buchanan administration and federal troops arrived. President Buchannan, anticipating Mormon opposition to a newly appointed governor to replace Brigham Young, dispatched 2,500 federal troops to Utah to seat the new governor, thus setting in motion a series of unfortunate misunderstandings when the Mormons felt threatened in light of their past history and the confrontation lasted from May 1857 until July 1858. While there were casualties, mostly non-Mormon civilians, the "war" had no battles, and was resolved through negotiation.Consequently, at the end of March 1858, settlers in the northern counties of Utah including Salt Lake City boarded up their homes and farms and began to move south, leaving small groups of men and boys behind to burn the settlements if necessary. It is likely that this was around the same time that James and Christina eventually made it to Missouri. >There is evidence that their son, Andre was already living in Missouri by the current river. Records indicate that he immigrated into Missouri in 1852, 3 years before his parents and younger sister would make the trip. What is known, however, is that a James Drysdale bought 320 acres in Jackson county, Missouri on Jan. 1, 1859 as noted by a title record from the US General Land Office.

< Commentary -If this Andre is meant to be Andrew Drysdale brother of James Drysdale JR brother of Thomas Drysdale ,and brother of my Immigrant ancestor John Drysdale-This is an out right lie- In 1852 the boys listed above were in England citing the author from the above underlined passage ''Then in an 1851 census, it lists Christine and James as having a new address in Hulme, Lancanshire England. Again, all the children are listed as well'' James JR,Thomas, Andrew and John Drysdale didn't cross the Atlantic ocean until 1853 aboard the Elvira Owen>

Jackson County (St. Louis, MO) figures prominently in the history of the Latter Day Saint movement. Beginning in March 1831, Church founder Joseph Smith, Jr. claimed that a location on the Missouri–Kansas border was to be a latter-day "New Jerusalem" with the "center place" located in Independence, the County Seat. In 1875, there are records of Christina living in St. Louis, MO at 2811 Easton Ave. Christina would have been about 65 years of age. Then 2 years later in 1877, Christina and James are listed as residing together at 2811 Wash X, in St. Louis. She died in 1879 in St. Louis at the age of 70 according to Missouri, and St. Louis death records. Death records for James have not been located.

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Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on January 7, 2024 at 21:05: Census returns, 1856 February,Census returns,Cedar County, page 2 of 12 I do note 2 Drysdales- John Drysdale beneath John , James Drysdale - but no Christiana , no Margaret , however the every member of different branches of the Carson family are noted females as well as males. Searching the remaining pages no Chistiana nor Margaret Drysdale.

Gen.Albert Sidney Johnstones Army left Fort Leavenworth in July 1857 marched through Salt Lake Valley to establish Camp Floyd in 1858 On June 26, he marched his forces through Salt Lake City
without incident, eventually establishing a post, named Camp Floyd, in Cedar Valley forty miles
southwest of the city. Four days later, Brigham Young and Mormon families began returning to their
homes in the north.

Here at 1858 is the next refference I know of for John Drysdale and his brother James.

...''Peace was established and it was agreed that General Johnston might bring his army into Utah if he would establish his camp at least 40 miles from Salt Lake City. Cedar Valley was the place selected for their permanent camp, June 26, 1858, the camp being situated at the north end of the valley on a stream coming from North Canyon. It was at this time that General Johnston approached John Drysdale and asked his opinion of their camp. John informed the General that there was water in that stream only in the spring and early summer. the water drying up in August. He told him of the better springs near Fairfield and suggested that as a good place to make their camp. General Johnston acted on his suggestion and the place was named Camp Floyd, after the Secretary of War. The General told John he had a man named Drysdale in the army. John looked the man up and to his surprise found him to be his brother, James.''...

Source:A SKETCH OF THE LIFE OF JOHN DRYSDALE & EMMA CLARK by Martha Hacking

Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on September 21, 2023 at 20:24

Fife to Hulme -then to Liverpool
Liverpool to New York
New York to Mormon Grove, Kansas
Mormon Grove Kansas to Salt Lake Valley
Salt Lake Valley to Jackson County Missouri

This 5th move is better than a 1000 mile course reversal, The logistics of it make no sense. If the goal was Missouri - why didn't they just go there from Kansas ? over 2000 miles to compete 4 and 5.

Location Location Location. It's easy to armchair the here and theres from under the bubble at BYU or some family history center-Getting out and crossing this country and getting a sence of how big USA really is ... just in the here and now - but 1000 miles in a wagon ? That's not a sunday drive.

Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on September 21, 2023 at 19:48: Says James Drysdale is a Weaver , not a Carpenter as sited above.

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