Thanks for the tip. I have established a Marksbury/Marksberry tree with factual evidence tied to Samuel Marksbury of Virginia/Kentucky who served in the militia or army in the American Revolution but who his parents are remains unverified. It is a pleasant thought there may be a family tie to the distinguished Douglas clan but so far what is out there comes from research based on hearsay as far as I can tell. Time for a an advanced DNA test!
Hi William, I am still working on confirming my research but what I do know so far is that John and James Douglas arrived in Australia on the Great Britain in 1864. They resided in Laanecoorie and Woodstock in Victoria.
John Douglas is my great great grandfather who resided in Lannecoorie. There are some references and photos of his family home and him in the below links.
Just noticed the photo and that is definitely him. He had four children made up of two gentleman's families. Two sets of a boy and a girl born in Scotland and Ireland. Walter and Isabella born in Scotland. Robert and Agnes born in Ireland.
Apparently, this John Scott Douglas was from a family ancestry of many Douglas's bearing the John Scott Christian names and from the Hawick, Jedburgh, Peebles areas. Even my late father wasa John Scott Douglas. Correctly or incorrectly, we have always regarded the family ancestry to have come from the Cavers estates. My grandfather Robert Domingo Douglas 1894-1977[third child born in Cork,Ireland]. He did extensive research in the 1960's. He went to a house which I feel was in the center of Peebles with steps up into it. He wished to talk to a lady who I vaguely recall as an auntie Madge who may have been Margaret. She answered the door but he was shunned at the door. My grandfather Robert Domingo Douglas then later discovered a family secret. He then one day threw the whole family tree research papers in to the fireplace and the whole lot went up in smoke. We have never gotten to the bottom of what was the issue, but needless to say rumors have been rife over the years. Were we related to the famous Dr John Scott Douglas and MP?? There was some infidelity some where that in the 1960's was better left in the past. Things were so bad that nobody in our immediate Scottish Douglas family wanted the family heirloom of the grandfather clock that bears that heart emblem of the Douglas family. Being the eldest my Grand Uncle Walter Douglas was offered the clock and took it. He got the clock cased and imported it from Scotland by sea in the 1950's or 60's. He ultimately gave it to my grandfather as it required major restoration works. Anyway our history remains a mystery. God bless all. Robin
Hi folks, Not a descendent of the Douglas Family but in the arly 2000s I purchased a ruin of a house in New London, Conn´s downtown waterfront historic district. Planned for demolition in 1974 and forgotten about I fell in the love with the house and this small piece of late 18th c and early 19th c New London. Restored the house, spent years (still not done) researching the builder and his family and have made contact with fantastic people all across the world related to the family or the house itself. Built by Richard Douglass (1746-1828) . I will post info on the appropriate boards. Thanks!
Greetings William Douglas! My name is Michael Douglas Brewer. My 9th generation Great Grandfather was Colonel John Douglas (1636-1678) who immigrated to Maryland from Glasgow, Scotland in 1655. He was the son of Sir Robert of Blackerston & Blythswood (1602-1669). I am a direct descendant of the Douglas Lords of Mains from Nicholas Douglas (1340-1406) to Alexander Douglas (1563-1628). I am a descendant of Sir Andrew, Lord of Hermiston (1225-1277), a direct descendant of Sir Archibald Douglas (1178-1240) and a 13 generations-2nd cousin, 7 times removed to The Good Sir James Douglas (1275-1330). I have been to Scotland and traced the steps of my Douglas Ancestors and to St. Bride's Church in the village of Douglas and the remains of the Douglas Castle. I am very proud of my Douglas Ancestors and to be a part of the Douglas Clan. I live in Columbia, Missouri with my wife Cheryl.
Thank you for your message and information. I became interested in my Douglas genealogy after my recent trip to Hogmanay in Edinburgh. Most of my family research has centered on patriots of the American Revolution. I was a founder and first registrar for my local chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution. I knew much about my Douglas line in America and that my immigrant ancestors came to America directly after the American Revolution.
When I was recently in Scotland, I was not researching my Douglas family. Still, when I saw the painting of James Douglas EM at the Scottish National Portrait Gallery, he looked just like my brother in a period outfit… So, after I got home, I did some research and purchased an engraving of James Douglas EM for my home mainly because he looks like my red-headed brother, who has now passed. Unfortunately, the silver signet ring has been "worn proudly" for generations. When I inherited it, the back of the ring was worn so thin it broke. The crest projected outward for stamping documents and was worn down to a blob in the shape of a shield. The ring was passed down as a connection to something important, so it was always worn. I will attach John Douglas's citizenship document, which I have hanging in my house. It states that John Douglas became a citizen of the US on November 4, 1806. His citizenship document from Marlboro County, SC, also states that he was about 57 years old, giving him a berth year of 1749. Also, the document states that he resided in the US between June 18, 1798, and April 14, 1802. According to the Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, from the 1500s to the 1900s, John Douglas arrived in South Carolina in 1799, and based on the date and location, I believe this is my John Douglas.
I descend from his son Duncan Douglas, and another family member recently told me that our family Douglas surname died out from her research as a last name. Still, it has been continually used in my line and several others because it has always been considered one of our most prominent family names. My line goes John Douglas to Duncan Douglas to Elizabeth Douglas, who married Dr. Alfred Hamer, then to Dr. Douglas Hamer Sr. to Dr. Douglas Hamer Jr. to Patricia Douglas Hamer Coley, then me, Douglas Scott Coley, and my son Douglas Hamer Coley. John Douglas had many successful descendants, probably the most successful being the line of John's daughter Christian Douglas McColl, who married Hugh McColl, another local planter family who started a bank. Their direct descendent, Hugh McColl Jr., was the founder and first CEO of Bank of America, the second-largest Bank in the United States.
John Douglas's Will was probated on April 13, 1826; in this will, he lists his wife, Mary, and children. I need to visit family in Marlboro County, SC, and do local records research to see if I can locate his original land deed; I also need to transcribe his will. Thank you in advance for reading this message and again for your message. Here are a few records I have located on Ancestry.com that seem promising to me, but I would love to know your thoughts. The mother's name, Christian, stood out to me because John Douglas named his eldest daughter Christian Douglas, who married Hugh McCall.Doxie%201450.jpg
Best regards.
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Yes that's correct, due to the mystery parentage I'm not even sure he was a Douglas, neither was Henry who searched for his whole life ... the secret is only known by Staffords and Lord family
We've been going through family documents recently and came across an original property deed signed by John Jacob Astor from when Hosea Dugliss bought his house on Park Row in Manhattan from the Astor family, which was a great find. Also some documents relating to operations at his mirror making shop. It would be great to find out more about our roots in Scotland as I myself currently live here!
The Lady Archivist was very helpful (unusual nowadays) and as well as being the resident archivist at the Dollar Academy she runs the Dollar Museum:
"I am also the Hon. Curator of Dollar Museum where we have a lot of genealogical information about the Drysdales. We open at Easter – see the website for times etc. I would advise you to arrange a time with me if you decide to visit as the material has to be taken out of the store."
I was recently in touch with the Dollar Academy Archivist (carolan-j@dollaracademy.org.uk) and she sent me an electronic copy of this magazine, also see below re further research:
"Thu, 21 Mar at 16:40
Hi Ron
For your information and any other interested genealogists there are two complete sets of the Dollar Magazine and Fortunas in the archive and school library and also two sets in Dollar Museum.
It will eventually all be digitised. Currently I have 1902 (1st issue) to 1921. Only the ones you saw relating to WW1 are online.
Hope to see you in Dollar some time!
Janet"
There are some copies of the Dollar Magazine online already (1911-1920);
Hi William, sorry about the delay in getting back to you but I am busy at work. I run a Financial Consultancy in the South of England and still work full-time, even at my age.
I am 2/3 viking by DNA and 25% Celtic, which is where I think the Douglas link comes from. I guess some of my viking ancestors had relations with people in the North of the UK i.e. Scotland now. I have not as yet traced things back, but I am aware my family name were big land owners in the Yourkshire area years ago, which makes sense with the viking bit as that is mostly where they landed. I need to sit down and do a bit of ancestry tracing one day if I can.
It is definitely Orval Douglas. He is my paternal grandfather. His father is James David Douglas. They are from West Virginia. I can track back to a John Dowgals married to Bethia Dennis. I am then stuck. Thank you for the welcome! Terry
Thanks William. I will try and upload the family tree as far as I have got. There's one place where there were about three "George"s to choose from so will try and add my reasoning for choosing the one I did!
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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Thanks for the tip. I have established a Marksbury/Marksberry tree with factual evidence tied to Samuel Marksbury of Virginia/Kentucky who served in the militia or army in the American Revolution but who his parents are remains unverified. It is a pleasant thought there may be a family tie to the distinguished Douglas clan but so far what is out there comes from research based on hearsay as far as I can tell. Time for a an advanced DNA test!
Hi William, I am still working on confirming my research but what I do know so far is that John and James Douglas arrived in Australia on the Great Britain in 1864. They resided in Laanecoorie and Woodstock in Victoria.
John Douglas is my great great grandfather who resided in Lannecoorie. There are some references and photos of his family home and him in the below links.
https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5d44d45721ea673c5848dddb
https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5d44ded821ea673c5854aaaf
http://www.tarnagulla.com/photogallery/gallery3/index.php/District-Towns/Laanecoorie/DSC_0790
There is also a book available in the State Library of Victoria, "Douglas, a family history 1843 - 1981" which gives a full history of James Douglas.
Hi William,
Just noticed the photo and that is definitely him. He had four children made up of two gentleman's families. Two sets of a boy and a girl born in Scotland and Ireland. Walter and Isabella born in Scotland. Robert and Agnes born in Ireland.
Apparently, this John Scott Douglas was from a family ancestry of many Douglas's bearing the John Scott Christian names and from the Hawick, Jedburgh, Peebles areas. Even my late father wasa John Scott Douglas. Correctly or incorrectly, we have always regarded the family ancestry to have come from the Cavers estates. My grandfather Robert Domingo Douglas 1894-1977[third child born in Cork,Ireland]. He did extensive research in the 1960's. He went to a house which I feel was in the center of Peebles with steps up into it. He wished to talk to a lady who I vaguely recall as an auntie Madge who may have been Margaret. She answered the door but he was shunned at the door. My grandfather Robert Domingo Douglas then later discovered a family secret. He then one day threw the whole family tree research papers in to the fireplace and the whole lot went up in smoke. We have never gotten to the bottom of what was the issue, but needless to say rumors have been rife over the years. Were we related to the famous Dr John Scott Douglas and MP?? There was some infidelity some where that in the 1960's was better left in the past. Things were so bad that nobody in our immediate Scottish Douglas family wanted the family heirloom of the grandfather clock that bears that heart emblem of the Douglas family. Being the eldest my Grand Uncle Walter Douglas was offered the clock and took it. He got the clock cased and imported it from Scotland by sea in the 1950's or 60's. He ultimately gave it to my grandfather as it required major restoration works. Anyway our history remains a mystery. God bless all. Robin
Hi folks, Not a descendent of the Douglas Family but in the arly 2000s I purchased a ruin of a house in New London, Conn´s downtown waterfront historic district. Planned for demolition in 1974 and forgotten about I fell in the love with the house and this small piece of late 18th c and early 19th c New London. Restored the house, spent years (still not done) researching the builder and his family and have made contact with fantastic people all across the world related to the family or the house itself. Built by Richard Douglass (1746-1828) . I will post info on the appropriate boards. Thanks!
Greetings William Douglas! My name is Michael Douglas Brewer. My 9th generation Great Grandfather was Colonel John Douglas (1636-1678) who immigrated to Maryland from Glasgow, Scotland in 1655. He was the son of Sir Robert of Blackerston & Blythswood (1602-1669). I am a direct descendant of the Douglas Lords of Mains from Nicholas Douglas (1340-1406) to Alexander Douglas (1563-1628). I am a descendant of Sir Andrew, Lord of Hermiston (1225-1277), a direct descendant of Sir Archibald Douglas (1178-1240) and a 13 generations-2nd cousin, 7 times removed to The Good Sir James Douglas (1275-1330). I have been to Scotland and traced the steps of my Douglas Ancestors and to St. Bride's Church in the village of Douglas and the remains of the Douglas Castle. I am very proud of my Douglas Ancestors and to be a part of the Douglas Clan. I live in Columbia, Missouri with my wife Cheryl.
oops, I was too wordy... Here are the records that I mentioned.
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Record Details
Name John Douglas
Arrival Year 1799
Arrival Place South Carolina
Primary Immigrant Douglas, John
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Record Details
Name: John Douglas
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Jul 1749
Baptism Place Nigg, Kincardine, Scotland
Father James Douglas
Mother Christian Stronach
Name: John Douglas
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 20 Oct 1789
Marriage Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father Charles Lyon
Spouse Mary
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Record Details
Name: James Douglas
Gender Male
Marriage Date 8 Jul 1745
Marriage Place Nigg, Kincardine, Scotland
Spouse: Christian Stronach
Thank you for your message and information. I became interested in my Douglas genealogy after my recent trip to Hogmanay in Edinburgh. Most of my family research has centered on patriots of the American Revolution. I was a founder and first registrar for my local chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution. I knew much about my Douglas line in America and that my immigrant ancestors came to America directly after the American Revolution.
When I was recently in Scotland, I was not researching my Douglas family. Still, when I saw the painting of James Douglas EM at the Scottish National Portrait Gallery, he looked just like my brother in a period outfit… So, after I got home, I did some research and purchased an engraving of James Douglas EM for my home mainly because he looks like my red-headed brother, who has now passed. Unfortunately, the silver signet ring has been "worn proudly" for generations. When I inherited it, the back of the ring was worn so thin it broke. The crest projected outward for stamping documents and was worn down to a blob in the shape of a shield. The ring was passed down as a connection to something important, so it was always worn. I will attach John Douglas's citizenship document, which I have hanging in my house. It states that John Douglas became a citizen of the US on November 4, 1806. His citizenship document from Marlboro County, SC, also states that he was about 57 years old, giving him a berth year of 1749. Also, the document states that he resided in the US between June 18, 1798, and April 14, 1802. According to the Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, from the 1500s to the 1900s, John Douglas arrived in South Carolina in 1799, and based on the date and location, I believe this is my John Douglas.
I descend from his son Duncan Douglas, and another family member recently told me that our family Douglas surname died out from her research as a last name. Still, it has been continually used in my line and several others because it has always been considered one of our most prominent family names. My line goes John Douglas to Duncan Douglas to Elizabeth Douglas, who married Dr. Alfred Hamer, then to Dr. Douglas Hamer Sr. to Dr. Douglas Hamer Jr. to Patricia Douglas Hamer Coley, then me, Douglas Scott Coley, and my son Douglas Hamer Coley. John Douglas had many successful descendants, probably the most successful being the line of John's daughter Christian Douglas McColl, who married Hugh McColl, another local planter family who started a bank. Their direct descendent, Hugh McColl Jr., was the founder and first CEO of Bank of America, the second-largest Bank in the United States.
John Douglas's Will was probated on April 13, 1826; in this will, he lists his wife, Mary, and children. I need to visit family in Marlboro County, SC, and do local records research to see if I can locate his original land deed; I also need to transcribe his will. Thank you in advance for reading this message and again for your message. Here are a few records I have located on Ancestry.com that seem promising to me, but I would love to know your thoughts. The mother's name, Christian, stood out to me because John Douglas named his eldest daughter Christian Douglas, who married Hugh McCall.Doxie%201450.jpg
Best regards.
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Record Details
Name John Douglas
Arrival Year 1799
Arrival Place South Carolina
Primary Immigrant Douglas, John
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Record Details
Name: John Douglas
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Jul 1749
Baptism Place Nigg, Ki
Yes that's correct, due to the mystery parentage I'm not even sure he was a Douglas, neither was Henry who searched for his whole life ... the secret is only known by Staffords and Lord family
Hi William!
I replied via an email; if you didn't get it, let me know, and I can try again, or post it here.
Best, -L
We do have a bit of information about him, it's been well summarized here by someone along the family branch, quite an interesting life story:
Hosea Dugliss (1793-1867) - Find a Grave Memorial
We've been going through family documents recently and came across an original property deed signed by John Jacob Astor from when Hosea Dugliss bought his house on Park Row in Manhattan from the Astor family, which was a great find. Also some documents relating to operations at his mirror making shop. It would be great to find out more about our roots in Scotland as I myself currently live here!
Thanks William!
I'll check that group out.
Thank you for the welcome. Much appreciated. I look forward to viewing the information here.
As best I can determine, my Frederick was born in North Carolina.
Linda Tanner
Yes William,
The Lady Archivist was very helpful (unusual nowadays) and as well as being the resident archivist at the Dollar Academy she runs the Dollar Museum:
"I am also the Hon. Curator of Dollar Museum where we have a lot of genealogical information about the Drysdales. We open at Easter – see the website for times etc. I would advise you to arrange a time with me if you decide to visit as the material has to be taken out of the store."
You might even get a cup of tea if you visit!
Best regards
Ron
Hi William,
I was recently in touch with the Dollar Academy Archivist (carolan-j@dollaracademy.org.uk) and she sent me an electronic copy of this magazine, also see below re further research:
"Thu, 21 Mar at 16:40
Hi Ron
For your information and any other interested genealogists there are two complete sets of the Dollar Magazine and Fortunas in the archive and school library and also two sets in Dollar Museum.
It will eventually all be digitised. Currently I have 1902 (1st issue) to 1921. Only the ones you saw relating to WW1 are online.
Hope to see you in Dollar some time!
Janet"
There are some copies of the Dollar Magazine online already (1911-1920);
http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/dollar-academy-scotland/
Best regards
Ron
Also, your Alexander Drysdale and Christian Donaldson couple are about 100+ years down the line.
regards
Ron
Thanks for the add everywhere, William. I am looking forward to meeting some people!
Thanks for your help, that looks interesting. I will read that when I get a moment to myself. Thanks for your help on my behalf.
Hi William, sorry about the delay in getting back to you but I am busy at work. I run a Financial Consultancy in the South of England and still work full-time, even at my age.
I am 2/3 viking by DNA and 25% Celtic, which is where I think the Douglas link comes from. I guess some of my viking ancestors had relations with people in the North of the UK i.e. Scotland now. I have not as yet traced things back, but I am aware my family name were big land owners in the Yourkshire area years ago, which makes sense with the viking bit as that is mostly where they landed. I need to sit down and do a bit of ancestry tracing one day if I can.
It is definitely Orval Douglas. He is my paternal grandfather. His father is James David Douglas. They are from West Virginia. I can track back to a John Dowgals married to Bethia Dennis. I am then stuck. Thank you for the welcome! Terry
Thanks William. I will try and upload the family tree as far as I have got. There's one place where there were about three "George"s to choose from so will try and add my reasoning for choosing the one I did!
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'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
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