Thank you for the welcome. (I'm just starting to figure out where my messages are and how to reply.) This website looks very helpful to work on my brick wall!
Thank you for the suggestion on the contact for the Douglas DNA group, William. I did just join the Douglas DNA group on your site; were you referring to the FTDNA Douglas group to find the contact person? I have joined my deceased cousin's kit to the Douglas group and see his George W Douglass matches there. I need to check back and see if he is now on the chart, and get some assistance from the group admin. I appreciate your help so much.
Thank you for your welcome, William! I'm looking forward to being involved and finding out more about my Douglas ancestors.
You probably noticed I live in Turramurra, a suburb of Sydney, NSW, Australia. The 3xgreat grandmother I mentioned emigrated here with her husband and family in 1837. Fortunately Australia has good immigration records which helped to trace the family back to her father Robert Douglas.
Thank you for adding me and for the welcome. I am in the early stages of my journey connecting my Inglis sept to the Douglas clan. On ancestry I am at a roadblock. I was told by a native Scottish coworker about the Inglis name and history. In later years I was told by native English coworkers history of the Inglis name. Unfortunately I have no living Inglis relatives to help me answer any questions. I live on the East Coast of the US.
It has been ages since you asked for more on my family. I am told the family left Scotland from Thurso. I took my mom to visit two of the family homes. One in the Minneapolis, Minnesota region the other in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We also went to the Douglas crypt in the Oak hill Cemetery, Cedar Rapids. My Great, Great Grand father, amongst other family members, is buried there.
Thanks for reaching out. Been an interesting dive thus far. From William 1610 I am down the family tree: Robert, Thomas, John, Joshua, Turner, William, John, Harvey, Stirling, John, then me. Sincerely, Nick Douglass
James Mitchell Douglas had his full name recorded on his birth record and on his death record, for the rest of his life he called himself James Douglas.
Hi William, Daryl Douglass here. I just got your email re David Preece. How Bizarre! What the hell was he doing trolling the Douglas Archives? David and I were really good friends but lost touch many years ago. Please, can you give him my Email address. I would love to reconnect.
Thank you, not the William Douglas who once owned land at the hawkesbury region either. Although a very interesting article as the name Mary Grove's is the same (believe it or not). To an ancestor from the other side of the unconnected family in the UK.... once again thank you
Thank you! I have Bob's book on the descendants of Tom and Phoebe Douglas but I didn't know about his more recent manuscript. I'll follow up with Bob about that resource!
Ron, that is great info and I vaguely remember coming across that years ago when I first pieced this possible line together (I descend from Archibald's son William Harvey Douglass...the man loved "Harvey" for sure!). It's been long enough I think I need to dedicate come time to reassessing this information and you guys have been a great help! If you come across anything else I would be in your debt! But I think I'm going to reup my subscriptions on the relevant search sites and get back to work! Thanks so much! Paul
I understand the nature of the problem you have - too many possibilities and not enough accurate information (without even considering a possible Irish aspect!).
I think the hard information that you have is:
- the 1837 Prison record as this specifies his name clearly as Archibald Harvey Dougla (but I am suspicious about the age quoted - 22 years)
- the 1835 marriage record, again his full name Archibald Harvey Douglas is clearly stated
Baptism: 13 Jan 1839 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire William Harvey Douglas - Son of Archibald Harvey Douglas & Mary Abode: Prescot Occupation: Dresser Baptised By: Wm. Coombs Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 159, Entry 1267 Source: LDS Film 1657583
Baptism: 24 Jan 1841 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire John Douglas - Son of Archibald Harvey Douglas & Mary Abode: Prescot Occupation: Dresser Baptised By: C. G. T. Driffield Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 234, Entry 1871 Source: LDS Film 1657583
Then there is the record for Henry Harvey Douglas - Christening 29 Mar 1846 Father Archibald Harvey Douglas St. Helens, Lancashire, England
and Henry Harvey Douglas's Marriage in 1868 with Archibald Harvey Douglas father - see images below:
It's obvious that Archibald likes to use his Harvey middle name.
So where does this middle name come from? Often middle names are carried down from a mother, Grandmother or other ancestor.
I briefly checked out this aspect (Douglas/Harvey) and again I come up with the Scottish connection:
- and it neatly ties in with the Dumfriesshire Douglases (Wilton in Roxburghshire is only 17 miles from Ewes in Dumfriesshire):
I personally don't look upon Census records as being accurate providers of genealogical data, if it confirms something that's fine - if the data deviates significantly then it is suspect. As far as I can recall none of the census records gave the 'Harvey' middle name.
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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Thank you for the welcome. (I'm just starting to figure out where my messages are and how to reply.) This website looks very helpful to work on my brick wall!
Thank you for the suggestion on the contact for the Douglas DNA group, William. I did just join the Douglas DNA group on your site; were you referring to the FTDNA Douglas group to find the contact person? I have joined my deceased cousin's kit to the Douglas group and see his George W Douglass matches there. I need to check back and see if he is now on the chart, and get some assistance from the group admin. I appreciate your help so much.
Through Elmer Douglas information, Edgar and Elmer’s parents were John Forester Douglas and Mary Powell. John Forester was born around 1840.
Yes. This is as far back as I could find as well. I do know Edgar Howard had a twin named Elmer who is buried in McCurtain County, OK.
Thanks so much,
Tonya
Thank you for your welcome, William! I'm looking forward to being involved and finding out more about my Douglas ancestors.
You probably noticed I live in Turramurra, a suburb of Sydney, NSW, Australia. The 3xgreat grandmother I mentioned emigrated here with her husband and family in 1837. Fortunately Australia has good immigration records which helped to trace the family back to her father Robert Douglas.
Best wishes, Barbara
Thank you for adding me and for the welcome. I am in the early stages of my journey connecting my Inglis sept to the Douglas clan. On ancestry I am at a roadblock. I was told by a native Scottish coworker about the Inglis name and history. In later years I was told by native English coworkers history of the Inglis name. Unfortunately I have no living Inglis relatives to help me answer any questions. I live on the East Coast of the US.
It has been ages since you asked for more on my family. I am told the family left Scotland from Thurso. I took my mom to visit two of the family homes. One in the Minneapolis, Minnesota region the other in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We also went to the Douglas crypt in the Oak hill Cemetery, Cedar Rapids. My Great, Great Grand father, amongst other family members, is buried there.
Thanks for reaching out. Been an interesting dive thus far. From William 1610 I am down the family tree: Robert, Thomas, John, Joshua, Turner, William, John, Harvey, Stirling, John, then me. Sincerely, Nick Douglass
Hi William,
James Mitchell Douglas had his full name recorded on his birth record and on his death record, for the rest of his life he called himself James Douglas.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/266594645/james-m-douglass
In early 1852 he was recorded as possibly being the Owner as well as the Master of the vessel Isle of Wight of Glasgow (Lloyds register of Ships 1852)
Best regards
Well spotted William!
Best regards
Thank you William ,but unfortunately those two record for Henry hamilton douglas aren’t the right person.regards ian hamilton douglas
Hi William, Daryl Douglass here. I just got your email re David Preece. How Bizarre! What the hell was he doing trolling the Douglas Archives? David and I were really good friends but lost touch many years ago. Please, can you give him my Email address. I would love to reconnect.
Cheers
Daryl D
Hi William, Albert Augustine Douglas was my GGGF (direct line).
Thank you. I believe I may have found some clues in Roxburgh, Scotland.
Thank you, not the William Douglas who once owned land at the hawkesbury region either. Although a very interesting article as the name Mary Grove's is the same (believe it or not). To an ancestor from the other side of the unconnected family in the UK.... once again thank you
Thank you! I have Bob's book on the descendants of Tom and Phoebe Douglas but I didn't know about his more recent manuscript. I'll follow up with Bob about that resource!
Paul,
You are welcome & good luck with your future research
Best regards
Ron
Ron, that is great info and I vaguely remember coming across that years ago when I first pieced this possible line together (I descend from Archibald's son William Harvey Douglass...the man loved "Harvey" for sure!). It's been long enough I think I need to dedicate come time to reassessing this information and you guys have been a great help! If you come across anything else I would be in your debt! But I think I'm going to reup my subscriptions on the relevant search sites and get back to work! Thanks so much! Paul
Hi Paul
I understand the nature of the problem you have - too many possibilities and not enough accurate information (without even considering a possible Irish aspect!).
I think the hard information that you have is:
- the 1837 Prison record as this specifies his name clearly as Archibald Harvey Dougla (but I am suspicious about the age quoted - 22 years)
- the 1835 marriage record, again his full name Archibald Harvey Douglas is clearly stated
There are two online Parish records:
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Prescot/stmary/baptisms_1839-1840.html
Baptism: 13 Jan 1839 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire
William Harvey Douglas - Son of Archibald Harvey Douglas & Mary
Abode: Prescot
Occupation: Dresser
Baptised By: Wm. Coombs
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 159, Entry 1267
Source: LDS Film 1657583
https://lan-opc.org.uk/Prescot/stmary/baptisms_1841-1842.html
Baptism: 24 Jan 1841 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire
John Douglas - Son of Archibald Harvey Douglas & Mary
Abode: Prescot
Occupation: Dresser
Baptised By: C. G. T. Driffield
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1842, Page 234, Entry 1871
Source: LDS Film 1657583
Then there is the record for Henry Harvey Douglas - Christening 29 Mar 1846 Father Archibald Harvey Douglas St. Helens, Lancashire, England
and Henry Harvey Douglas's Marriage in 1868 with Archibald Harvey Douglas father - see images below:
It's obvious that Archibald likes to use his Harvey middle name.
So where does this middle name come from? Often middle names are carried down from a mother, Grandmother or other ancestor.
I briefly checked out this aspect (Douglas/Harvey) and again I come up with the Scottish connection:
- and it neatly ties in with the Dumfriesshire Douglases (Wilton in Roxburghshire is only 17 miles from Ewes in Dumfriesshire):
I personally don't look upon Census records as being accurate providers of genealogical data, if it confirms something that's fine - if the data deviates significantly then it is suspect. As far as I can recall none of the census records gave the 'Harvey' middle name.
Best regards
Ron
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The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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