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Douglas dna

A group for those who are using dna to trace their ancestors. The intention is NOT to replace the existing dna group, but to facilitate discussions amongst those who are not part of that group.

Members: 30
Latest Activity: May 9, 2020

The Yahoo group is for members of the Douglas DNA study project, and those interested in this project. They are trying to link our modern Douglas families with our "Old Douglas" lines by using yDNA tests.
The group currently has around 120 members, and has made some significant advances.

Further details about the use of dna in tracing ancestors can be found within the pages of the Douglas Archives...more>>>

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Comment by Raymond Oliver on June 10, 2013 at 10:02

As a new member feeling my way around the Douglas dna data I have added my data to the Douglas family database.    My preliminary conclusion is that there seems to be quite a close match between my I2b1 profile and that for the 1st Earl's.  It would appear there might have been a closer relationship somewhere far back between the Douglas clan and the Oliver vassals.  I can say far back because I have indications that my Oliver ancestors resided in the uplands of Staffordshire from the time of the earliest parish records (early 16th century).    I will continue to explore the data with great interest.

Comment by William Douglas on May 29, 2013 at 21:16

There are exciting developments in the Yahoo DNA group which we should all be following:

Comment by William Douglas on August 9, 2011 at 20:35
I have been informed of two new Family Tree DNA research projects that I would like you to consider joining. One is specific to R1a1 members and the other is specific to clan / family members of Noble bloodlines and therefore would include  R1b Morton Lines,  R1a1 Drumlanrig / Queensberry lines and  I lines.

The R1a1 and sub clades project can be found at

The other project being the Central-European Nobility DNA Project can be found at

In both instances you can join by clicking the "Join Request" tab

The project admins of both these projects look forward to your participation.
Comment by William Douglas on March 1, 2011 at 10:44

The following mesage has just been published on the Douglas DNA website:


A yahoo discussion group has been formed for this group. Membership is open to membership of the DNA project, and to other interested in joining or discussing the results and purposes of the group.

There is now a map on the site showing the origins of the most distant ancestors. Please update your personal page with the co-ordinates of your ancestor's origins. This will then update the map.

I have added a facility to this site for contributions to a fund for the project. I foresee that we will want to obtain DNA samples from some people who can already trace their lines back to William (1174). Some of these people may not have an interest in family history and may not see any reason to have their DNA tested. So we may need to contribute to the cost of the some tests if we are to get the information we need.

So please consider making a contribution to a fund for this purpose. This is a particularly suitable way for females and Non-Douglas surname males who want to see their lines defined.

The Douglas/Gordon connection.
we have found unexpected perfect matches (37 markers) between 2 of our Douglas members and a group of Gordon Surname members. This raises the liklihood of a common ancestor. Was he a Douglas or a Gordon?! We have started a discussion group between the affected members of the 2 families to work on this. Contact the co-ordinators if you are interested in this group.

Since 26 January 2011, Y-DNA results in the Douglas Project have been grouped at two different levels.

1.     Haplogroup and Subclade.

The major grouping is by Haplogroup, and Subclade within haplogroup.  People in different haplogroups or subclades cannot be closely related. Men in different major groups are unlikely to have a most recent common ancestor (MRCA) within the last 10,000 years (for major haplogroups) or within 5,000 years or so for subclades within a haplogroup.

If you share a haplogroup or subclade with a person of interest, it is likely that your Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) lived within the last 5,000 years or so.

Results for testers for whom we have not yet found a match, or have too few markers tested to allow reliable matching, will be placed in one of the Unassigned groups.

Haplogroups are determined by a small number of mutations on the Y chromosome, known as Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs), or Unique Event Polymorphisms (UEPs). Haplogroups in green have been confirmed by SNP testing.  Haplogroups in red have been predicted by Family Tree DNA based on the individual's STR results and can be confirmed by a Deep Clade SNP test.

2.     Closely related group.

To share an MRCA within recorded history, FTDNA calculates that you need a match within the following degrees of genetic distance (GD), i.e. the number of marker mismatches:

12 markers tested:  0,1

25 markers tested: 0, 1, 2

37 markers tested: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4

67 markers tested: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

The closer the match, the closer the relationship is likely to be – more or less!  This is only a rough guide, and other information should be factored into the match wherever possible.

 “Within recorded history” is a very loose term. For Scotland, the ancestral home for many of the Douglases, this would be since about 1100AD.

I'm working on a description of the Haplogroups Subclades and Groups as existing at present, and I'll put this in the Results Section here (different from Y-Re

Comment by William Douglas on August 23, 2010 at 12:15
Anatole Klyosov has published analysis of the R1a1 Douglas markers, in the most recent version of the Proceedings of the Russian Academy of DNA Genealogy. You will find the article at the end of the document in the letters section. Most of the document is in Russian however the letters section is in English (Page 1680).
This is a large document so may take some time to download.
Comment by William Douglas on August 19, 2010 at 9:31
See blog post of 19th August for an update on DNA results.
Comment by Lawrence Henry Douglas on June 28, 2010 at 22:26
Thus far my participation in the DNA group has not brought down my brick walls, but I have gained valuable insight into my ancestral heritage. My initial 12 marker test was of limited use so I moved to the 37 marker test. These results were of more benefit as they identified my haplotype (R1a1) which connected me with the Douglas of Drumlanrig, Earl of Queensbury, and Douglas of Morton lines.

Even though I have close matches with several members of the Douglas DNA group we have not found a common ancestor - yet. The more we communicate the better our chances for making those connections.

I have my line back to the late 1770s in Ayrshire with my direct line immigrating to Quebec and Ontario, Canada in the 1840s with a move across the St. Lawrence River to Watertown, NY around 1930. I look forward to sharing my Douglas family history.

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Making conections

The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.

Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.

Professions also help.

'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.

Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?

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