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Drysdale - a Douglas sept
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Drysdale is considered a sept of the Douglas clan, but it is quite likely that this was a separate family which existed previous to when the three Douglas brothers adopted the Drysdale name. A sept is a family that can be related to a clan or larger family for various reasons. Usually this came about either through marriage or by a small family seeking protection from a larger and more powerful neighbour.
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Story of the creation of the Drysdale family
The following is said to tell the story of the creation of the Drysdale family, it was actually part of the Black Douglas clan which remained in Scotland, following their failed attempt against the Scots crown in 1455. [Earlier references to Drysdale, or Dryfesdale can be found]
"On the Twentieth Day of May, One Thousand Five Hundred and Three Years
We, Thomas, William, and James Douglass, sons of the departed Thomas Douglass, of Brushwood Haugh, in the parish of Drysdale, and Shire of Dumfries, left our native place for the reason here assigned, viz:- Defending our just and lawful rights against our unjust neighbour, Johnston of Greenstonhill, who, being determined to bring water to his mill through our property, and having obtained leave of his friend, the King, began his operations on Monday, the 16th of May, We prevented him by force.
The next day he brought twenty of his vassels to carry on the work. We with two friends and three servants, (eight in all,) attacked Johnston with his twenty, and, in the contest, fourteen of his men were killed, along with their base leader. A report of these proceedings was carried to the King, and we were obliged to fly, (the tocsin being sounded).
We took shelter under the shadow of the Ochil Hills, in a lonely valley on the river Devon. After having lived there a full two years, we returned home in disguise, but found all our property in the possession of Johnston's friends, and a great reward offered for our lives. We, having purchased a small spot, called the Haugh of Dollar, and changed our names to the name of our Parish, are clearly in mind to spend the residue of our days under the ope of the Ochils, and wish the name of Drysdale to flourish in the lonely valley. The King passed through this with his Court on the 12th of June, 1506, going from Stirling to Falkland - dined on Halliday's green. (an eastern neighbour;) but we were not recognised."
The above story has been preserved among the desendants of Thomas, William, and James Douglass, now known by the name of Drysdale, and copied at several times by different individuals - first, by Simon Drysdale of the Haugh of Dollar, in the year 1620; by Robert Drysdale of Tillicoultry, in 1708; by John Drysdale, Dunfermline, in 1835; by James Drysdale, Dumfermline, in 1838; by John Montrose Drysdale, in 1841; by George Drysdale, Aberdeen, in 1845; by David Drysdale, Glasgow, in 1857; by John Harrower Drysdale, Aylmer, Ontario, Canada, in 1920; and now by Nicholas Edwin Kontzie (great-great-grandson of Jane Drysdale), Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, in 2000.
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Early Douglas and Drysdale migrants to South Africa
Started by Ronald Drysdale. Last reply by Ronald Drysdale Oct 26. 3 Replies 1 Like
Hi all,Following on from William Douglas's recent comment:…Continue
Spelling of Douglas and Drysdale family names - variants
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Hi all, As many of you will have discovered when researching historical ancestors electronically, oftentimes important records are missed because the surname is spelt in a slightly different way,…Continue
The Raid of Holyrood - Bothwell, James Douglas of Spott, Wauchope, Colville & Archibald Douglas
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Douglas brothers & name change to Drysdale 1503 story - Lammonbie Mill
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The Dollar Magazine March, 1909 (Vol. viii., No. 29) contains an article entitled "The Drysdales of Dollar and their Dumfriesshire Origin" by R. Paul (1909)…Continue
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Comment by Russell Lynn Drysdale on June 6, 2015 at 14:17
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To further expand on the question posed by William ''
Good sleuthing, Russell.
Do you know who Helen Agnes Drysdale is? ''
This material was found in
EXTRACT FROM "ALEXANDERS OF LOCABER AND INVERKEITHNY"
Compiled by Robert Alexander, 1926
Updated by Michael Outram, starting 1984
Printed 6 March 2009
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ocarroll/alex.htm
''In 1840 Charles (born 1802) married Margaret Drysdale Douglas (born 1819) daughter of Andrew Douglas of Jodburgh and Berwick-on-Tweed and his wife Helen Agnes Drysdale.
Douglas, the second surviving son of Charles Alexander was born in 1849 and after completing his education in Aberdeen he returned to Grenada to manage his father's property Montreuil which had been left in trust for the family. In 1871 Douglas married Annie Elizabeth McEwen (born 1853) and by her had eight sons and four daughters. Like his father before him Douglas became a member of the Executive Council and the owner of several estates in the island. He died in London in January 1910 and was buried in the same grave as his father at Bow.
The other two married daughters of Charles Alexander and Helen Drysdale Douglas were Helen and Agnes who were twin sisters born in 1844. Helen married Arthur Gall, an officer of constabulary in Barbados and had two sons and daughters. Arthur Henry Beckles [Gall] was born in 1870 and became a very successful planter. In 1899 he married his cousin Margaret Edith Gall. There is no issue of the marriage.''
Alexander is a sept of Clan Donald if I am correct . I hope that gave a clearer answer than the tree did William
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In RE: Comment by William Douglas on August 5, 2013 at 16:15
Good sleuthing, Russell.
Do you know who Helen Agnes Drysdale is?
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I have not invested research in this material , i simply located it
by pure coincident .
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http://www.geocities.ws/michaeloutram/dat5.htm#7
Drysdale, Helen Agnes
Birth : 1781
Gender: Female
Family:Marriage: 17 Nov 1807 in Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Spouse:Douglas, Andrew
Children:
Birth : 15 Feb 1781
Death : 11 Sep 1841 Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Gender: Male
Douglas, Margaret Drysdale
--------------------------------------------------Douglas, Margaret Drysdale
Birth : 1819
Death : 1865
Gender: Female
Parents:Father: Douglas, Andrew
Family:
Mother: Drysdale, Helen Agnes
Marriage: 15 Dec 1840 in Marnock, Banff, Scotland
Spouse:Alexander, Charles
Children:
Birth : Auchininna, Inverkeithny, , Banff, Scotland
Death : 5 Oct 1861 Hardwick Place, Commercial Road, London, Grenada
Gender: Male
Parents:Father: Alexander, Charles
Mother: Thain, Helen
Alexander, Charles Douglas
Birth : 16 Nov 1841
Death : 26 Nov 1842
Gender: Male
Alexander, Arthur Harvey
Twins>Alexander, Helen
Twins>Alexander, Agnes (Aunt Aggie)
Alexander, Douglas
Alexander, Margaret (Aunt Doe)
Alexander, Thomas
Alexander, Rosanne (Aunt Rose)
Birth : 1854 Grenada
Death : 2 Feb 1945 Hove, Sussex, England
Gender: Female
Alexander, Charles
Birth : 2 Jan 1854
Death : 20 Jul 1854
Gender: Male
Alexander, Emmeline-Aunt Em Florance Douglas
Birth : 1857
Gender: Female
Alexander, Florance (Aunt Flo)
Birth : 1859
Gender: Female
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Comment by William Douglas on October 5, 2014 at 21:54
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Re Missing version - I was referring to the document that I linked to from the website, which 'disappeared'. There presumably is, or was, a version that does not have the handed down notes.
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Comment by William Douglas on September 10, 2014 at 15:48
I have located the 'missing' version of the origins of the Drysdale family document...................... William I would say the ''missing'' version would be the original [possibly in Latin ] that Simon Drysdale copied first in 1620 , if it still exists .
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The origins of the Drysdale family predate this 1503 document , the substance of the record from 1503 I have no reason to doubt yet the presentation as such [ from above ] ''STORY OF THE CREATION OF THE DRYSDALE FAMILY'' & ''The following tells the story of the creation of the Drysdale family '' are misleading .
Gawaine and Johne Dryfesdale and four others were recorded in january 1488 in connection with charges that amount to treason .
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I have located the 'missing' version of the origins of the Drysdale family document. Sadly, nothing startlingly new there. This version was transcribed by John Harrower Drysdale, Aylmer, Ontario, Canada, in 1920.
http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Septs/drysdale.htmlAs a quid pro quo to the donor, I promised to seek out good Drysdale research websites. Can anyone help?
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Comment by Allan Laird on July 9, 2014 at 17:55
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I am trying to find out more about my G-Grandfather's Family. His name was Dugald Drysdale. He was born in Scotland and emigrated to Australia via India. I have some information that suggests he grew up on Islay but another story goes he was apprenticed as a cabin boy at the age of nine. It is also suggested that he had a brother, name unknown (possibly Neil) and maybe a sister (possibly Catherine). He was born about 1854. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Australian links between Douglas and Drysdale can be found in Elizabeth Douglass' scrapbook, ca.1855-ca.1890
She may be the wife of Alfred Douglass, who built Corio Villa. It would be good to get confirmation of that - and access to the photographs.
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I found this gravestone in St. Mary the Virgin Parish Churchyard on the Holy Island of Lindisfarne, amongst a group of Douglas graves.
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This article: 'The Drysdale Family and Homeopathy' has some interesting links.
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