Edward Fenner Douglass b 17 Feb 1880 in Houghton Co Mi

He Married Dorothea J Weber in Ontonagon, Mi 26 Oct 1903

He died in Chicago 1968. Looking for obituaries for him and his wife Dorothea, her dc has her as Dorothy Anna Douglass she died 19 Nov 1933. Also looking for obits on their children Edward Fenner Douglass b 1904 in Houghton co Mi died Md 1998 daughter was Dorthy C Douglass she married Melville F Johnson from Clinton Co Oh they divorced I believe she was living in the Chicago area. I can't find a death date for her nor obit. last child was Roland Douglass I believe he died in CA.

His father was Edward Fenner Douglass 17 May 1854 died 1902 Houghton Co Mi 

Appreiciate and help offered

Marsha

Hi, I did leave message but perhsps it was never received.  I hold extensive Douglas/Palmer Douglas and other related families.  Please let me know how I can help and exactly what you want to know.  Helen

William, was it my brother Nigel Emery (adopted) or my half brother Stephen Palmer Douglas that your caller was trying to get hold of?  Cavers House is still up for sale, so naturally I am still interested in what happens to it, especially as I was born there, so if you can remember who the interested party was, I would really like to know.  Also does anyone know who and when the two chestnut trees were planted at Cavers House.  One tree died very many years ago, the other one , known as 'The Tradition Tree' was 'demolished' in the late 1990's.  The tree also had a family curse with it - does any know anything about that.

I don't know that part of the world, but yes, I believe it is Shankhill Belfast. The names William and Nina appear on a memorial for Woodrow, but that was definitely a mistake.

Thanks William. I think the issue is that there are two lots of Douglas's in the West Indies. The European ones and the descendants of former slaves who took the Douglas surname. The two are not really related to each other. My wife is of Jamaican origin and her grandfather was a Douglas. Quite a few of her Douglas's ended up here in the UK.

My wife did her DNA and came back 1% British! So maybe.

Thank you, William. I'm excited to have found your group. I have updated my page with the lineage passed to me. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of specifics. I'm eager to see what your site has to shed any light on my family's path from Scotland. Thank you again! 

fd

These Douglases are, indeed, inaccurate accounts. I found Alexander's will and he mentions no Aaron ... also passed through a totally unrelated area of NJ.

I'm trying to find primary records for which William Douglas/s is father to Capt. Aaron b. 1753 m. Phebe Lewis. He died in Mendham, Morris County, NJ, and she moved with most of their kids to Knox County, Ohio.

To do this, I'm tapping both NJ and CT sources to try to find record of his ancestral migration. I'm interested in one theory they came with Rogerenes. We've also established by maps and historical accounts another possibility: an ore/gold rush mid-1700s in Morris County, NJ.

The sole Douglas Rogerene mention I found so far seems to have come to NJ about 50 years earlier, but was in the line of William b. 1708.

I believe Aaron's father is William b. 1710, a first (?) cousin). Strong evidence from birth/name patterns show Aaron's father William came to NJ to marry his brother Joshua's widow, who had 3 kids under 10 in the small area called Comb's Hollow, exactly where we find Aaron's dad starting his family about a year after Joshua died, with a wife by the same first name as Joshua's Sarah (Foote).

My William's wife has no formal record of a surname except Douglas, which makes sense if she was widow Sarah Foote Douglas. Perhaps a reference to Aaron being buried beside his brother(s) refers to his half-brothers, Joshua's two sons, if William 1710 married his brother's widow.

Hello William.

Lovely to hear from you and I am so pleased to be able to access your site.

I think that James Douglas circa 1688 is probably the Laird of Mains but my source is in Ancestry where there are a few mistakes so I would be grateful if you could confirm that he is. He married Jean Farquhar. Their son, Hugo 1713 married Margaret Gilmour and they appear to have had about 18 children, some of whom died early. They had a son called Mungo, 1741, who married Mary Wilson. These are my 4x great grandparents, Hugh and Margaret my 5x and James and Jean my 6x great grandparents. I have not managed to get back beyond James yet so any info on that score would be most welcome.

I have many Douglas' on my tree, some of whom married into the royal Stewart line from which I am also descended. So, these Douglas' may be a different line.

Would love to hear from you.

Best regards,

Sheila

William

Thank you for your posts.  The reference to Col. The Hon James Stuart (1741-1808) dying unmarried has had me baffled for some time as I had started working from the top (8^th Earl of Moray) of the handwritten tree (which unfortunately has no dates) down so I started from the bottom up (my father).  There was some evidence for the existence of everyone up to Maria Tomasa Stuart (b ?- d.1830) but no actual evidence of her marriage to the James Stuart.  The tree which I have, shows her and James Stuart having four children :

James Stuart (unmarried)

Maria Stuart (unmarried)

Margaret Flora Stuart (married James Douglas)

John Stuart (married Gertrude Weston)

As to evidence for this :

1.  The Information on the memorial at Inveresk (Saint Michael, Musselburgh) Cemetery starts with ‘Sacred to the memory of Maria, widow of the Hon Colonel James Stuart died 30^th. July 1830’. It continues ‘also …. James Stuart Esq. Captain RN died 17^th. November 1838 : Maria Stuart, spinster died 15^th February 1846 : Margaret, widow of Archibald Douglas Esq died 24^th April 1847 and Margaret Flora Douglas (dau. of Margaret and Archibald) relict of the late John Campbell Esq…. died September 5^th. 1882’
2. ‘MARRIAGE: August 24, 1818. At Calcutta, Mr J. Campbell of the Bengal civil service, to Margaret Flora, daughter of the late Mr Douglas, West Indies, and niece of Major J. L. Stuart, honourable East India Company's service.’  This clearly implies two things – Mr Douglas was dead by 1818 and Margaret Flora Douglas was the niece of JL Stuart which means her mother was a Stuart.
3.  Entry in the Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventory (17^th. August 1831) shows the following : ‘Inventory of the Honble Mrs Maria Stuart widow of the Honble James Stuart Lieutenant Governor of Fort George who died on the. First of August  eighteen hundred and thirty given by Captain James Ferdinand Stuart of the Royal Navy and Mrs Margaret Flora Stuart or Douglas widow of the deceased Archibald Douglas sole executors of the said deceased Honble Mrs Maria Tomasa Stuart conforms to her last will and settlement dated December tenth eighteen hundred and twenty one.’

While none of the above is conclusive, I do consider, on the balance of probabilities, that James Stuart married Maria Tomasa and one of their children married Archibald or James Douglas.

So the questions remain – why was James Stuart shown as unmarried and who was this Archibald Douglas.  With regard to the former question – either one believes in the cock-up or the conspiracy theory of history.  It could have been a simple error, or, in my view a strong possibility, that James Stuart coming from a staunch Protestant background married a Catholic and the marriage was not recognised by his family.  The identity of Maria Tomasa is a mystery.  My handwritten tree describes her as Maria Esperanza (Lady), de Valliers a younger daughter of the Royal House of Spain who father was Don Joseph Corrones, a Colonel in the Dragoons who left Gibraltar when taken by the English and went to Vienna 1807.  I can’t verify any of this except that there was a Jose Corrones in Gibraltar whose daughter was christened in 1707 and that Esperanza continued as an additional Christian name down to my grandmother.

Archibald Douglas clearly died before 1818 and would presumably have been born at a roughly similar time to Margaret Stuart – 1771.   I don’t think that any of the Douglas’s you mention would fit those dates.  If I can identify him it would be another link in the chain, as he would be my Gt-gt-gt-gt grandfather and might provide further information as to Margaret Stuart’s parents.

Hi William

Yes indeed he is difficult to unearth.

I am aware of the Thesis that came out recently for James VI & I Royal household to 1603 and note Alex Douglas as an ordinary Macer.

I have managed to track that Alexander now.....to a certain extent...and will post it when I have it ordered. He is recorded as Macer, Portioner of Rathobyres,  possibly also referred to as Gogar, when he received the estate of Cramond from Douglas of Kilspindie which he had from 1600 - 1624. He has a son William, also a Macer. 

Can you tell me did you find exacting information that he returned to Reeth from London....what I found said he had resigned his position in London to return to Scotland..

Best Rhonda

thank-you william for allowing me to join your douglas archive group

Thank you for your welcoming message, William. Regarding the Douglas Cemetery, I went there almost annually as a young girl with my parents, who lived just north in Springfield, MO. In 1992, Cousin Gus Douglas of OK sent me an article - perhaps from Forbes magazine - about the impact of the new regional Bentonville Airport. My most recent visit was in 2004, when we put together a small reunion at the Memorial Day gathering. 

Archive member David Douglas has been working with me on the heritage of Jesse T. Douglas; thanks to him our family has hope of breaking down this very big brick wall. Y-DNA is playing a big part in this search.

Best regards, Sara Burns

Thank William,

This is a great resource, I'm sure I will find it very useful.

Best regards,

John

The information I have on Catherine Anne Douglass is quite limited and my efforts to research her ancestors have been met with many dead ends.  What information I have has largely been passed down from my grandfather and my father. My father did some further research as follows:

Alan Judd notes in his research on the Aitken family of a cathedral in Limerick that Catherine, daughter of William Douglass, merchant married Thomas Alley in 1793. One of my grandfather’s notes referred to Catherine Douglas, daughter of William Douglas was born in Carlowrock, Scotland.  Thomas Alley and Catherine are said to have emigrated to Canada with their children in 1775 sailing from Cartshorn on May 1. 

I have more more information which I will research and send more information that I dig out out from the files 

Brent 

Hi William.  Thank you for your welcome message and for the first gambit in what seems like an endless game.  

The information I have starts with father, Durward George Douglas (born on 25 March 1912 in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada; died on 25 January 2003 in Tulare, California) and his father, George Gordon Douglas (born on 26 June 1885 in South Shields, Durham, England; died on 26 May 1966 in Oakland, California).  George Gordon Douglas (1885-1966) married in 1911 to a lady named Anna Lydia (Bligh) Bleich (1894-1976).  

My father had given me a swath of cloth (a tartan?) with what he said were the colors of our clan from olden times.  It’s put away somewhere but I recall it being a green background, with some yellow and perhaps a bit of red in it. My dad said told me we came from the Black Douglas side of things.  Years ago, when I was in the UK on business, my wife and I went ‘up North’ a visited what was left of ‘Castle Douglas’; not very impressive, but fitting for relative that hung his enemies from the entrance of his castle (“he dangled his tassels from his knob”).  Hah!

I’m trying to put together things that might interest my granddaughter-to-be, so the Douglas family history could be an important facet.

Regards,
Dennis Douglas

William...regarding :Dorothy Moore:  Yes, Dorothy Louise (Ray) Moore (Douglas) was my stepmother.  Dorothy was born 16 June 1916 and died 26 April 2004.  Dorothy had three daughters from her previous marriage: Beverly Jean (Ray) Chelf (21 August 1935 - 11 December 2014); Bonnie Lou (Ray) Vawter (22 October 1936 - 28 November 1999) and Karen Sue (Ray) Morrelli (7 October 1947 - ...).  My dad(Durward George Douglas) married Dorothy after my folks divorced.

Hi William,

My hunt for my birth mother ( I have adopted in 1958) has led me to the Douglas archives as all indications are that she was married to James Malcolm Palmer-Douglas as follows,

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/famgen/getperson.php?personID=I2193... 

My adoption paperwork indicates that her name was Dorothy Margaret Palmer Douglas DOB 14 July 1926 and that she had two children, one possibly adopted. An affair with my birth Father, Frank Eley, saw her head down to Surrey before I was born on 14 August 1958 and named Alison Sylvia Douglas, thereafter adopted myself.

It appears that they were both 'circuit judges' in the the equestrian or dog fields.

It has been difficult to find any information about her, but her date of birth, name and the fact that her daughter Helen is mentioned in the adoption paperwork,  now means that I have probably discovered her maiden name, Dorothy Margaret Campbell which is a big step forward.

Naturally, and a decision I respect, James Malcolm Palmer-Douglas wanted nothing to do with Dorothy, me or the adoption as so recorded in a letter from his solicitors, Andrew Haddon and Co.

My search is solely to trace my birth Mother and not to cause any distress to anyone involved at that time.

If any of your records show anything to do with my birth Mother it will greatly assist me in endeavor.

With kind regards,

Angela

HI William- Thanks for your comments on the Seniors, but sorry to say, all I get is that you have left me comments. This also happened when you made comments on Gertrude Harmanson. There is, absolutely, nothing for me to read. You give me some hope when you tell me of your frustrations with softwear. I, certainly, know the feeling when I am unable to communicate with computers.Regards, Henry

William when I am writing a blog-I am having a severe problem and I need your help. For the past week when I write a blog I am unable to post it. What happens is a notice pops up in capital letters RECAPTCHA with a statement 'I am not a robot.'Also it states privacy terms and just nor it is attached to my note to you. I just clicked on terms and it brought up Google privacy terms.  My blog is frozen and then disappears. I have rewritten the blog twice. Regards, Henry

I am not 100% sure.  I am looking into it but her name is very familiar - I will check my paperwork when I get home - and my family has resided for many years in and near Canandaigua

I have many files of documents, which I have not had time to ruffle through.  I will start doing that and see what I can find.  

Hi William,

Thanks for the welcome to this forum. The information I have comes from the book The John Douglas Family of Mississippi by Edgar Lamar Douglas (my great uncle) published in 1962. His book does a pretty thorough job of tracing my lineage back to John Douglas. My ancestor, John Douglas was an orphan in North Carolina USA. His book states that in 1758 a William Douglas from north Ireland was living in Pennsylvania with his wife Mary and children. In 1773, the will of a William Douglas in Rowan County, North Carolina, USA mentions his wife Mary and two sons Solomon  and David. In 1801 John Douglas sold a section of land that was granted to David Douglas. John Douglas b.10/4/1764 d.11/9/1839 married Nancy Denman Walden b.5/20/1774 d. 8/1836. Children: Ransom Douglas b.8/9/1805 d.6/5/1889; Jepthah Douglas b.1808; Joel Douglas b.9/13/1810 d.11/8/1884; Elisha Douglas b.6/9/1814 d.9/1/1900; and Elijah Douglas b.6/9/1814 d.1817.

Hi William,

This is a bit embarrassing since we have commented back and forth a bit, but i have just now noticed that the family page is Listed as "Douglas of Devrock", rather than the correct "Douglas of Dervock" as is the location in N. Ireland and listed in Burke's.

Bill

sorry not had time to visit the site for a long time

this is my great grandfather thanks !

Rev Percy Douglas 1900-1925 Vicar of Great Sutton from 1900 to 1925. (Same as above?) Son of Rev Robert Douglas

Sorry do not have the time to add to this but Percy Douglas junior was in the royal flying corps during the first world war he had a Sister Flora and a younger brother Robert Flora left no decendants Robert left a son but do not have an knowledge of Him and I am the son of Heather Roberts (nee Douglas) daugher of Percy Douglas

the Rev Percy Douglas was my Great grandfather and his wifes name was Annie

hope this helps sorry I do not have much time as I am a carer for my mother Heather who is 92 this year like many of the Douglas family has had a long life.

if you want more to this let me know and will do my best to respond as soon as I can

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I received this to my private email....not sure how valid it is...unsure of opening any links on it...do you know if it sounds/looks legitemite please? HAVE CHECKED ON SITE BUT CAN'T FIND ANYTHING/ANYONE TO MATCH IT.

Thank you, William.  I will be sure to check out the message and also the Find A Grave posting. Hopefully, we will some day find Samuel Douglass of Pittstown, Rensselaer County, New York's correct father. The answer is out there somewhere! This looks like an interesting and information site.  Looking forward to seeing what is on it.

Sharon

Hi William,

Thank you for your message.

Ernest Alfred Douglas was my grandfather,born 1903 in Winkfield Berkshire,died in 1988.As far as I know,he lived in Berkshire all his life. His regiment was the 17/21st Lancers,and I would assume this would be in the 1920's.

I have no knowledge of previous family prior to my grandfather,other than a comment made by my grandmother when I was a child,who mentioned that my grandfathers family came from Bray near Maidenhead Berkshire.

Regards

Nigel

Hi William- I learned yesterday that one of the many pills I take is a 'black box' pill and I was told yesterday to cease taking it. It has had bad side effects. I still have a way to go with my Douglas line and hope to return in a month or so. I regret my physical problems are interfering with my interests. Hope things are all right with you. Regards, Henry

Hello William,

Thank You for the information.  I am confused and not sure how to add this information into my tree.  Is Ann Gardner Catharine’s mother?  Here is what I have so far on my tree in ancestry.com

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Looking forward to talking with you,

Linda Goblirsch

Are you talking about the picture?

Hello William, 

I have exhausted my resources to find my 4th Great Grandfather, Alexander Douglas’s parents.  I have a little more information than I sent you before and I may have sent a wrong date before.  Can you point me in a direction to find my Great Great Great Great Grandfather and mother?  Here is the information I know.

1. My 3rd Great Grandfather was Alexander Douglas, who was born about 1811, but I do not know where.

2. He married Catharine Gardner on Nov 23, 1846 in Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland. I have the marriage record, but does not indicate his parents.

3. I did find Catharine Gardner’s parents.  They were Samuel Gardner and Catharine Rodgers.  Catharine Douglas was born June 3, 1818 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

4.  Alexander Douglas and Catharine Gardner had a daughter, Isabella Douglas, was born  Feb 1, 1847.

5.  Alexander Douglas and Catharine Gardner also had another daughter, Janet Douglas.  I do not think there are any other children.

6.  There was a census in 1841 that showed Alexander, Catharine, Isabella, and Janet Douglas living in the Village of Whitburn.

6. Alexander Douglas died some time between 1847 and June 12, 1868.

7. Isabella Douglas married John Pow on June 12, 1868 and the marriage document indicated that Alexander Douglas was deceased.  John Pow and Isabella Douglas were my 2nd Great Grandparents.

Any information would be helpful.  I did look through every Alexander Douglas listed in Douglas history and there is no matching record.

Thank You,

Linda Goblirsch

I also forgot to send you a picture of the Alexander Douglas’s where one of them must be my Alexander Douglas parents.  I already excluded Cathrine McKenzie and Alexander Douglas as parents.  I looked in the Douglas Archive and the Alexander McKenzie/Douglas dates and children don’t line up, so I excluded them. One of the others must be the parents of my Great Great Great Grandfather Alexander Douglas. How do I confirm which one of these line up with my other clues?  Is there a site or a phone number I could call in Scotland to find out?

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Thanks William - your website is a wonderful and exciting find!

William Douglas’ Will 1773

Hello William!

Thank you for your reply!

One thing I have discovered with relatively high confidence, based on the 1773 will of William Douglas of Rowan County, NC, is that David Douglas was John Douglas’s uncle instead of his grandfather as stated on the John Douglas of Mississippi page.

The other possibility I am considering is that John was not orphaned...just because there are no records to verify it. I’m not sure where the family story originated that he was orphaned. Work is ongoing in that area.

I am trying to figure out who John’s parents were and why they may have died, and then try to trace his grandfather William back to Ireland or Scotland.

I am also trying to figure out who John Douglas was married to before Nancy Denman Walden.

Will update if I find anything else out!

I tried to attach William Douglas’s will....I don’t think it worked. I am trying again.

William Douglas’s Will 1773 Rowan County NC

I don't have a transcript that was officially done, but I can try to transcribe it if necessary.

Below is the transcript of William Douglas's will (to the best of my ability - I highlighted the names mentioned for easy identification):

"

In the Name of God Amen. I William Douglass of Rowan County in the Provence of North Carolina being sick in body but thanks be to God being in perfect mind and memory do make and ordain this my last will and Testament. First I commit my soul to God who gave it me. And my body I recommend to the dust to be buried at the discretion of my Executors nothing doubting but at the last day it shall be raised again. And as touching my worldly affairs I leave and bequeath unto my lawfull and beloved wife Mary her livelihood? [illegible] the plantation and in the house I now live in during her natural life and my movable estate I allow? to be sold according to law which I leave to her except ten pounds which I leave to my daughter Elizabeth. Then I leave and bequeath unto my beloved sons David and Solomon the plantation I now live on to be divided equally between them, they paying and equal part of all expenses accruing on said land when the office will or may be opened. I also allow my son Solomon the end I now live on. I leave and bequeath unto my grandson John one year old horse colt [illegible] of my grey mare, and unto my grandson William I leave and bequeath one spring colt Sorrel’s? having a white mane and tail, and unto my grand-daughter Mary Traverse I leave a two year old heifer coulered red and white. Lastly I leave and bequeath to my beloved wife Mary all the money now due to my estate after all my lawfull debts is paid. Last of all I constitute and appoint my wife and my son Solomon to be the executors of this my last will and testament hereby disin?ling and making void all former wills and testaments as witnessed my hand and seal this 2 day of Sept. 1773 William x [his mark] Douglas [witnessed by] William Young, James Thomas?, John Oliphant"

Thank you William for your signpost to Gilbert Douglas in Glenrassie. He could be the uncle of my William Douglas who was born in Penninghame in 1679. It's good to know of others interested in Penninghame and Minnigaff parishes and especially about Bob Henry. Thank you too for all the work you and others have put into the Douglas Archives - this has been a great launchpad for me in trying to make sense of my many Douglas DNA matches. It is the best site of its kind that I have come across.

Looking across my matches on Ancestry and those of a couple of Johnstone cousins, we have upwards of 60 or 70 Douglas in groups relating to a number of Douglas lines. The largest group of matches is formed by descendants of Gilbert Douglas through William Douglas in Barsalloch and Grishil McKeand - with the added complication that we also have matches with the descendants of their contemporary family in Midlothian of William Douglas in Dalhousie and Janet Witherspoon. 

The next largest group relates to William Douglas (1610-1682) who lived in New London, Connecticut - which just goes to show how robust these Douglas genes are!

Matches with a descendant of Isabella Douglas (1723-1795, married Benjamin Fortner) that piqued my interest to look further into Douglas connections, as did Mary Douglas (1693-1726, married William Crawford). There are more, such as descendants of Domini Douglas (1732-1807) in Vermont, Clara and Clementina Douglas of Dornock, and several Drumlanrig and Kelhead Douglas matches which I need to explore further.

I need to pull together some questions to pursue specific lines. Again, thank you William.

Yes, about 1 mile along the Banbury  Road in a northwest direction from the crossroads at the church in Lower Beddington. It is at the crossroads in the southeast corner.

Thanks for the welcome!

Sorry, Spella House is in the southwest corner of the crossroads. JB

William - thank you for the note.  We are familiar with the Georgia Douglases project.  The Joseph Douglas (1) listed is my wife's 3rd GrGrandfather.  Currently believe Joseph Douglas (1) was brother to John & William.  Have not found any proof yet of Joseph (1) having son named Joseph Douglas (2) as cited in Georgia Douglases project.  No reference to Joseph (2) or heirs in Joseph (1) last will.  My wife's brother's DNA analysis (Y-DNA37) show a R1a1a Group ID (Drumlanrig-Queensberry line), with an extremely close match to that of another Joseph Douglas  b. 4 Apr1773 in Chester Co., SC /  d. 16 Jun1845 in Meriwether Co., GA.  George Washington Douglas (1790-1852) [John's son] was b. in NC and d. in Copiah, MS. is almost an identical match too.  FYI -  Joseph (1) did have an older unknown dau. who married John C. Hill (d. 1835) and had two children Miranda Ann Hill [Cribbs] & John Cummings Hill Jr. (1836-1868).  She died prior to Joseph (1) death in 1843.  Some believe John & Joseph (1), father was David Douglas (c1740-1822) who was the son of Wm. (1715-1773 ) & Mary Douglas(s).  We are getting closer in our search thanks to the DNA analysis and leads from your Douglas Archives.  Thanks for the help!

William - a clarification to my earlier note.  George Washington Douglas's father, John, is the John Douglas (13) cited in the Georgia Douglases project.  The nearly identical DNA sequence readout for my wife's brother to George's sequence would serve as strong confirmation that John Douglas (13) and Joseph Douglas (1), both born in NC and migrated to GA, were most likely brothers, along with William Douglas (8).  I hope others will see this note and contribute.  Again, thanks for your help in all of this.

William - One more clarification.  I went back to look at the Georgia Douglases web page.  I see they have a Joseph Douglas, son of Marshall.  We knew him as "Joab", so this is indeed the same person.  My wife's family is from this branch of the family (Joab's son Bart).

Yes, they certainly did have adventurous lives! I guess it was true for lots of people back then, not only in the "Wild West" but around the world generally.

Hi William, I have requested to join the group you gave me the link to, on the list of questions that are asked before you are accepted is the question what do you call a ' father's father? I have no idea how to answer this. I said Grandad, but I got it wrong? I really don't understand the question. It is really vague.

Hi William-

Thank you so much for the invite and the chance to comment back and to start seeing where my ancestors go back to . Edgar Henry Douglas was born in Feb 1867 to Andrew Douglas and Adelia Breemean. Andrew Douglas was born in 25 Sept 1838 in Girvan, Ayrshire Scotland  to James Douglas and Catherine Logan. James Douglas was born in 1806 in Girvan, Scotland.  Catherine Logan was born in 1816 in County Iyr, Ireland. This is as far back as I have gotten. Perhaps others here might be able to help me trace further.  Thanks so much! Amy