Douglass of Delaware County, New York

[Dorothey L Sherman]

My 3rd great grandfather, James Douglass was born in September, 1798, in Delaware County, New York. He later lived in Caroline, Tompkins Co., New York. And later kept moving west until he died in Otoe Co., Nebraska in 1886.

In 1798, there does not appear to be any other Douglass family in Delaware Co., except those who descended from James Douglass, b1723 and died in 1809, in Harpersfield. Later, after 1800, other Douglass families moved to the county, but, my line does not connect with them.

In Tompkins County, there were other Douglass families, but, through DNA testing, we have determined that we are not related to William Douglass, who had a very large family. The other family was in the Dryden area, and came there from New Jersey. I am still trying to find more information relating to them.

I believe that the father of my James, could be William Douglass in Caroline after 1800, and who appears in the 1830 census, but not in the 1835 census, or after. My theory is that he is the William Douglass in the 1800 census in Kortright, Delaware Co., and is also the William Douglass mentioned in the will of James Douglass, b 1723.

Information that could prove or disprove my theory would be greatly appreciated. Also, where was James, b 1723, born and what was the maiden name of his wife Elizabeth, b 1728?

I look forward to hearing from you.


Dorothey

[Betsey Heath Howes]

Dorothey, Can you tell me the names of the Douglass families from NJ you mention as being in Tompkins Co (Dryden?). I have some information on several Douglass lines that went from Morris Co NY to western NY after the Rev. Do you know if any from the Dryden area family done a DNA test?
Betsey H Howes

[Peter Mcclintock]

I realize this is many years after your post, and i may have responded in the past, but my brother, William McClintock did DNA thru Ancestry.  We are descendants of James Sutfin Douglass of Dryden NY.  There are 3 Howes in the ancestry data base that show we are distant cousins.  Any of them your family?

I have little info on the Douglass' going back from James.  I would like to find more on that side of the family.

[Linda Hildebrand]

The names you mention hint that your Douglasses came to NY via NJ. Sutfin derives from a common early NJ/NYC Dutch surname in my NJ tree: Sutphen. Bryant also intertwines often with my NJ Douglass-Lewis marriages.

They all come from the Douglass founder of New London CT, descending from William 1610. The NJ Douglasses mostly descend from his son Robert's son William.

I see you on Ancestry. I'll reverse engineer your James and Caroline and see if I can line it up with the mapping I've done on both of those surname lines. I can DM you there through my son's account. He took the DNA test, but his blood would be more than the 6th cousin that Ancestry reports from tests.

Side note: The Sutphens in the different branch of my tree are in Tompkins and Cayuga counties. They're related to Husks and Rockefellers (as in oil mogul John D Rockefeller), commonly married to Selover/Slover and other NJ Dutch founding families. They and Douglasses converge in central NJ's Middlesex/Somerset/Morris counties along with those Germans that I mentioned in an earlier reply in this thread.

[Dorothey L Sherman]

Hi Betsey:

Nathaniel Douglass was in the 1820, 1830 & 1840 Census for Dryden, Tompkins Co., NY.
I did not find him in 1850, but found to males, presumeably his sons.

James S. Douglass and Julius Douglass. It appears that the S. stands for Sutfin.

I followed them through then census and in 1880 Julius shows parents born in New Jersey. James S. lists NY

In the 1850 census for Dryden, we find:

Sutfin Douglass 38 Millwright B NY
Julius 28 Shoemaker B NY
Betsy 65 B NJ ( I assume their mother)
Anne E. 25 B NY

It seems that I have more info, but, need to find it.

I do not know if there has been a DNA test with this family.










Betsey Heath Howes said:

Dorothey, Can you tell me the names of the Douglass families from NJ you mention as being in Tompkins Co (Dryden?). I have some information on several Douglass lines that went from Morris Co NY to western NY after the Rev. Do you know if any from the Dryden area family done a DNA test?
Betsey H Howes

[Russell Lynn Drysdale]

http://douglashistory.ning.com/photo/douglas-douglass-family-1/next... I believe these were from the same area

[Dorothey L Sherman]

Hi Russell,

 

Thanks for responding.  I am curious how you came to the conclusion that my group connects.

According to DNA testing through FamilyTree, my line may descend from Nicholas of Mains, through his son, Malcolm, who was executed in the Ruthven affair.  Later found innocent. Malcolm apparently had a descendant that did come to the Virginia/Maryland area.

 

Dorothey

 

 

[Russell Lynn Drysdale]

 Dorothey,

It was just a guess , Double SS Douglass , Seemed a shot in the dark , but but they were in the area it seems. I got those from the library of virginia online . I just hope its of use to you .

                                                                                                                      Russell

 

 

[Dorothey L Sherman]

Thank you.

 

Dorothey

[Russell Lynn Drysdale]

Most Welcome !

[William Douglas]

I have a note of a Libbie Douglass who was born in New York in about 1866 to James Sutfin Douglass and Caroline Tamma Bryant.

[Peter Mcclintock]

Libby is my 2nd great aunt.  She was born Sarah Elizabeth Douglass, Sept 21, 1865 to James Sutfin Douglass and Caroline Tamma Bryant, in Dryden NY.  She died May 5, 1950.  She married Frederick Eugene Bascom, Nov 11, 1903.  Their son, Harold Douglass Bascom, lived in Ithaca, Ny - when I was a child in the 1950’s - went to Harold’s  house for holiday meals etc.

[Linda Hildebrand]

FYI, Sutfins are associated with the Morris County NJ Douglasses descended from immigrants Robert and Mary Hempstead Douglass of New London CT.

In my tree, Sutfin and their Gray, Trimmer, Neighbor (Nachbar) etc are found around German Valley, Washington Township, NJ, at the foot of Schooley's Mountain, intermarried from many directions with various Robert/Mary descendants. The New England migrants melded with new German immigrants and the old Dutch clans in NJ in that period.

Caroline County is close SW of Albany, NY. My Douglass aunt married second a Schuyler and moved south of Albany NY. Founding father, first Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton met his wife, Eliza Schuyler, in Morris County NJ, in fact introduced by Douglass relatives. Other Robert/Mary descendants and associated NJ fams moved to NY, as well, after the Revolutionary War.

One or two "s" is irrelevant in America, b/c sometimes in the same document it's spell both ways -- and also sometimes Duglas, Dowglass and other alternatives, again even in the same record. Spelling conformity wasn't their thing.

As for DNA, remember that matching DNA doesn't itself mean anyone's info is correct. All can have matching trees and all still be wrong, relying on circular distribution of info. Betsey is connected to a DNA group that dissected a few lines from Robert/Mary into smaller pieces, which can help in sharing documentary evidence in narrower circles, at least.