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I am interested in this branch of my family. My maiden name was Willan and my grandfather was Robert Hugh Willan, one of 4 children of Frank Willan of Hampshire and Louisa Willan Nee Douglas.
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Dear Wilfried
My father was Frank Andrew Willan who was the son of Robert Hugh Willan and Violet Eyre Crabbe. His brother Martin, my uncle, was killed at Calais in 1940.
Frank Willan, senior, had 5 children that I know of.
1.Margaret Willan married Major ? Currie and lived near salisbury - they had 2 children Bill, who married Ann (they have 2 children, Richard, a Brigadier in the army, and Joanna neither of whom are married), and Phillipa who married Peter Parker and who had no children. Phil and I speak often as she is my godmother.
2. Nina married Major Tom Jackson and had 2 daughters, Ann and Mary. Ann has a son Anthony Boas who married Sarah (nee Bickerstaff) and they have 2 children Simon and Julia. Mary married several times and to my knowledge has one son.
3.Frank Godfrey married late in life Maud Valerie (known as Bundy). Bundy already had two children Richard and Avril Vernon. Avril Vernon married Edwin Bramall (Field Marshall Lord Bramall)
4. Robert Hugh had 2 sons, one was my father, Frank Andrew. (the other Martin died at Calais) He married Joan Wickham Legg and I have 2 brothers. Richard Martin who has been married twice, once to Susan Howe - they have a daughter Clare (married to Paul Evans and they have a daughter Matilda) and secondly to Sara Boyes and they have a daughter Georgia. My next brother is Michael John who is married to Catherine (Turner Lashmar) and they have 4 children, Lucinda, Andrew and twins Hugh and Charlie. I am married to Rev'd Colin Fox and we have 3 children George (married to Ruth Kendrick), Alice and Henry (known as Harry)
5. John Willan died young.
I hope this helps. I am interested why you are following my family from the Netherlands!
yours Bridget Fox
Dear Mrs Fox,
A message from the Netherlands. I'm quite delighted to be able to meet you on William Douglas's site.
For more than a year I'm trying to find descendents of that poor Captain Douglas who was killed in Delhi in 1857. "Are there portraits of him, his widow, his daughter". I often wondered. I've found a lot in contemporary newspapers about Mrs Louisa Marguerite Anne Willan (daugher of our Captain Douglas) and her mother Mrs Lightfoot (Douglas's widow since 1857).What I know on 11 May 2010
Captain C.R.G. Douglas (died in Delhi 11 May 1857) had one child: a daughter (Louisa Marguerite Anne Douglas, b 1852);
She married Frank Willan in 1875.
They got 5 children: 4 boys and 1 (or, see below, 2 ?) daughters.
1. John Lowry (1876) who died in 1887, aged 10 years
2. A daughter (name unknown) was born in June 1877;
3. Frank Godfrey (1878-1957, 75 years old) and
4. Robert Hugh (1882-1960, 78 years old).
5. Another boy (name yet unknown) was born in 1888.
BUT… 1875: Who’s who, an annual biographical dictionary… p.1973, [Frank Willan]” …m. 1875, Louisa Marguerita Anne, d. of late Captain Charles Robert George Douglas, late of 32nd Bengal Light Infantry: three s. two d.
Frank Godfrey Willan (3) married Maud Valerie (since 1943 widow of Lieut.-Col. H.A. Vernon) in 1945, when he was 67 years and she was ± 47 years old.
(A possible earlier marriage and children thereoff unknown).
Robert Hugh Willan (4) married Violet Constance Crabbe in…?....
Their son Martin Stuart Willan (born 1919) was killed on 25-05-1940 in France and was burried in Calais.
(Possible other children unknown).
So, as long as I don’t know descendants of Frank Godfrey Willan, of Robert Hugh Willan, of the Nameless Son Born in 1888, and the name of the (two?) Frank Willan daughters, plus the names of their husbands, I am I think genaeology-wise - stuck.
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On 11 May 2010 I got new information from William Douglas, (Wikipedia):
Group Captain Frank Andrew Willan CBE DFC DL (21 December 1915 - 12 November 1981), was an English pilot, Royal Air Force officer and Conser-vative politician. He was Chairman of Wiltshire County Council from 1973 to 1979.
[ Frank Andrew must be a son of Frank Godfrey or of Robert Hugh Willan].
Now I hope to hear more!
Yours faithfully,
Wilfried Dierick, The Netherlands
Dear Mrs Fox [Bridget?], Now at least I know the names of Louisa Marguerite Anne Douglas's (and her husband Frank Willan's) 5 children. Thank you. To be honest, I am so interested in your family because I've read many books about the Great Mutiny (also called The Indian Mutiny) of 1857. Especially in William Dalrymple's "The Last Mughal" I read about the tragic death of your Great-great Grandfather Captain C.R.G. Douglas. In the gruesome story of that insurrection in Northern India the part he played was very short: maybe only 2 or 3 hours. But there doesn't exist a book about the events of "1857" where his end is not described. Maybe I am a "romantic type'... but I wanted to bring this man "to life" again. He died so young and left behind a wife, your great-great grandmother Louisa Robinson (who later married Revd John Prideaux Lightfoot) and a daughter Louisa Marguerite Anne (who later married Frank Willan). Your great-great grandmother had another daughter with her 2nd husband (Mary Frances Lightfoot, b. 1864, who - I think - never married).
I would like to know as much as possible about Captain Douglas. His father was Robert Sholto Douglas, his mother's name as yet unknown. There is a lot more to be found about his wife Louisa Robinson's family.
I have found "snippets" about young Captain Douglas's (military) career. Eventually I would like to be able to write a kind of biography and to compare all different reports about his violent death as described in different books and in contemporary papers.
I would like to ask you: does Captain Charles Richard George Douglas still - somehow - "live" in your family? Are there portraits of him, of his wife, of his daughter, memories, diaries, letters, etc?
I do have a portrait of Frank Willan and one of your great-uncle Frank Godfrey Taken in British India in 1926)and of the memory plaquette at Eton on which your uncle Martin Stuart is mentioned.
On internet I found the answer to my question:"What happened to Captain Douglas's wife and young daughter where almost al European men, women and children had been killed in those days.
I read it in this book, see:
a href="http://www.archive.org/stream/ladysdiaryofsieg00harrrich#page/n1/mode/2up" target="_blank">http://www.archive.org/stream/ladysdiaryofsieg00harrrich#page/n1/mo... >
If you can not find it, this was the most crucial part there:
"La Martinifere, May 15.
4 P.m.—Since writing to you this morning such awful news has come, that I still feel paralysed with horror. There has been an insurrection in Delhi, and the Chief Commissioner (Mr. Fraser), Captain Douglas, Mr. and Miss Jennings, have all been murdered in cold blood. The news came by electric telegraph. No particulars are known, nor even the extent of the insurrection ; or whether it is the people or the Sepoys. They have cut the telegraph wires between Delhi and Meerut, and destroyed a bridge to prevent the passage of troops. At Meerut there has been a rising among the native troops, on Sunday evening, when several Europeans were killed and wounded: the rebels showed fight till they had received a volley from the Rifles, and then they all ran away ; but there are no particulars, so we know not how many English have lost their lives. There has been no post for four days from up country, and we are in complete ignorance of what horrors may be going on. Poor! poor Captain Douglas! —or rather, one's heart should bleed for his miserable wife, who little knows now that she will never look upon his face again in this world.
May 16.
I was interrupted yesterday; but you may well fancy we can think of nothing but the dreadful tidings. No post in from Delhi, nor any further news by telegraph. I cannot describe our horrible state of anxiety, alarm, and gloom. These are fearful times, and it seems as if our tenure of India hung by a thread ; for if the native army turns against us, nothing humanly speaking can save us. We must trust to God, and hope for the best. We are fortunate in having such a man as Sir II. Lawrence at the head of affairs here; and European artillery as well as a Queen's regiment. The stoppage of post is most alarming ; no one knows what to think. Poor Miss Jennings ! she was by all accounts such a very nice dear girl, the comfort and delight of her father's life. I have heard it was beautiful to see the two together. Mrs. Jennings is in England, educating her younger children, and this poor girl came out to be her father's companion about a year and a half ago I do so wish we could know about Mrs. Douglas: such a sweet creature, and so fondly devoted to her husband: how I do grieve for her! he was such a noble-hearted Christian gentleman, respected and liked by all; his valuable, useful life to be sacrificed to those bloodthirsty villains, it seems too dreadful."
Mrs. Fox, I hope I have made clear what exactly I hope to find.
Thanking you,
Wilfried Dierick
Bridget Andrea Louise Fox said:Dear Wilfried
My father was Frank Andrew Willan who was the son of Robert Hugh Willan and Violet Eyre Crabbe. His brother Martin, my uncle, was killed at Calais in 1940.
Frank Willan, senior, had 5 children that I know of.
1.Margaret Willan married Major ? Currie and lived near salisbury - they had 2 children Bill, who married Ann (they have 2 children, Richard, a Brigadier in the army, and Joanna neither of whom are married), and Phillipa who married Peter Parker and who had no children. Phil and I speak often as she is my godmother.
2. Nina married Major Tom Jackson and had 2 daughters, Ann and Mary. Ann has a son Anthony Boas who married Sarah (nee Bickerstaff) and they have 2 children Simon and Julia. Mary married several times and to my knowledge has one son.
3.Frank Godfrey married late in life Maud Valerie (known as Bundy). Bundy already had two children Richard and Avril Vernon. Avril Vernon married Edwin Bramall (Field Marshall Lord Bramall)
4. Robert Hugh had 2 sons, one was my father, Frank Andrew. (the other Martin died at Calais) He married Joan Wickham Legg and I have 2 brothers. Richard Martin who has been married twice, once to Susan Howe - they have a daughter Clare (married to Paul Evans and they have a daughter Matilda) and secondly to Sara Boyes and they have a daughter Georgia. My next brother is Michael John who is married to Catherine (Turner Lashmar) and they have 4 children, Lucinda, Andrew and twins Hugh and Charlie. I am married to Rev'd Colin Fox and we have 3 children George (married to Ruth Kendrick), Alice and Henry (known as Harry)
5. John Willan died young.
I hope this helps. I am interested why you are following my family from the Netherlands!
yours Bridget Fox
Hi:
I dropped by ater a few years of absence.
From memory:
Some years ago, I posted the ancestry of Isabella Maria Willan wife of John Kearsley Douglas on this website. I also added the descendants of Lt. Gen. Robert Douglas, R.A. father of John Kearsley.
A condition of Isabella's, fabulously wealthy, father's (Thomas Willan's) will was that, in order to inherit, her children had to append Willan to the family name Douglas. So it was done except for one child Thomas who was called Thomas Willan Douglas (b. Oct 4, 1810 at Twyford Abbey).
My notes for Thomas Willan Douglas (Willan) include the following- note reference to brother John:
Per County Families 1875 (available at DAR Library)
"WILLAN, Thomas Willan Douglas Esq. of Twyford Abbey, Middlesex. Eldest son of the late John Kearsley Douglas, Esq. R.A. (who assumed the name of Willan), by Isabella Maria, eldest dau. of the late Thomas Willan, Esq. of Twyford Abbey, and Hanwell Park, Middlesex and of Farmington Lodge, Co. Gloucester; b. 1810; s. his mother 1862. Educated at Harrow; is Lord of the Manor of West Twyford; formerly in the 12th Lancers.
Heir Pres., his brother John, a Capt. on half-pay of H.M.'s Indian Army; b. 1815."
David Baynham
P.S. I will probably not revisit this site but the above should provide serious researchers with enough to pursue.
DALB
Thank you, David.
The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
Maybe it is time to update the information in your profile?
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