Descendants of Deacon William Douglas, b1610

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Comment by Dorothy Phelps Gellai on May 10, 2020 at 2:27

Thank you for your comments about the Douglass yDNA results.  I had long suspected that my William Douglass 1610 was not really from Scotland, but from England. The majority of immigrants who migrated to New England before 1640 were from England.  My research shows that almost all of my ancestors (nearly 3/4 of my tree!) before 1640 were from England.  My few Huguenots (via England and Channel Islands), Scots and Irish came a bit later, around 1650 or so (especially after (esp. after Cromwell government was established).  So I'm not surprised about this conclusion that William Douglass was not really Scottish.   

Comment by Robin Spencer on May 9, 2020 at 16:12

Just a few notes on Bill Hough's post on BigY results. The Douglas project STR data has a very tight group for the descendants of Deacon William Douglas 1610, with tMRCA about 10 generations ago and no other Douglas connections back to ~400 CE (long before surnames). In the R-U106 project, this Douglas line's nearest connections have surname Terrill and common ancestor ~1000 CE. Other surnames in the clade are Timmins, Timmons, and Wright, common ancestry ca 800 CE. These names give no real clue because they are found all over the British Isles with little overlap. On the SNP side, the 10 men in the FTDNA haplotree with R-Y62502 cite Irish, Norwegian, German, and UK ancestry; none has attached his surname (a real shame). Note the absence of Scottish ancestry which persists to its parent SNP R-BY13790, formed ~200 BCE, i.e. when the descendants of R-U106 were still in northern Europe, 700 years before the Anglo-Saxon invasions (the route that brought most R-U106 to Britain). In general, British R-U106 descendants are centered in mid- and eastern England. In other words, it's pretty unlikely that this Douglas line has any Scottish ancestry.

--That's not what his descendants want to hear, Robin, but I think that you might well be correct.  Ed

Comment by William Douglas on May 9, 2020 at 9:42

I have uploaded files relevant to the BigY test, and to William Douglas, b1610 in the Douglas DNA section of the Archives. See here>>> and look for items 41 and 42.

Comment by William W. Hough on December 3, 2019 at 19:06

Sherry, the find-a-grave posting you found for William Douglasse, died Nov 1654, is the father of the William baptized in 1609 in Easton Maudit who we hoped was our immigrant ancestor.  In 2011, several American descendants of the immigrant William and Ann Motley hired a genealogist in Northamptonshire to see what she could find on this family.  The report this genealogist produced is attached to the "Letter from Ed Douglass" that you can find it this group's "Discussion Forum."  While we certainly can't absoutely rule out this possibility, the English genealogist cast serious doubt on it because of another William Douglas in London in 1645 (~5 years after our WIlliam left for America) who was involved in an Easton Maudit land transaction that also included one of the other sons, Thomas, of the guy who died in 1654.  If you haven't already, suggest you read the Sue Comont report 1 attached to Ed's letter in the above Discussion Forum.  I remember that we were going to try to pursue hiring a London genealogist to see if our WIlliam who was in London before sailing to America left any clues as to his origin.  That never happened.

Comment by Sherry Duty on November 28, 2019 at 18:28

William Dugleys
Birth unknown
Death Jun 1616
Northamptonshire, England
Burial
St Peter and St Paul Churchyard
Easton Maudit, Wellingborough Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Memorial ID 199697380 · View Source

Buried on 12th June 1616
Senior, wool man

Created by: Debbie
Added: 3 Jun 2019
Find A Grave Memorial 199697380

Elizabeth Dugleys
Birth unknown
Death Jul 1615
Northamptonshire, England
Burial
St Peter and St Paul Churchyard
Easton Maudit, Wellingborough Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Memorial ID 199697039 · View Source

Buried on 2nd July 1615
Wife of William, senior
Created by: Debbie
Added: 3 Jun 2019
Find A Grave Memorial 199697039

Comment by Sherry Duty on November 28, 2019 at 16:57

Found on Find A Grave
With three of his children, son John's Memorial
states mother's name Elizabeth ?
William Douglasse
Birth unknown
Death Nov 1654
Northamptonshire, England
Burial
St Peter and St Paul Churchyard
Easton Maudit, Wellingborough Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Memorial ID 199779943 ·

Buried on 21st November 1654
Aged about 82 years

Created by: Debbie
Added: 5 Jun 2019
Find A Grave Memorial 199779943

Comment by Sherry Duty on November 28, 2019 at 16:31

I found on Find A Grave born about 1572, wife must have

been Elizabeth, three children also that must have died

young. 

William Douglasse
Birth unknown
Death Nov 1654
Northamptonshire, England
Burial
St Peter and St Paul Churchyard
Easton Maudit, Wellingborough Borough, Northamptonshire, England
Memorial ID 199779943 ·

Buried on 21st November 1654
Aged about 82 years

Created by: Debbie
Added: 5 Jun 2019
Find A Grave Memorial 199779943

Comment by Robin Spencer on May 25, 2019 at 20:08

I can put a bit more detail to the brick wall that surrounds Deacon Wm Douglas.   First, I found that kit #N11063 has done BigY DNA testing and is clearly among the Y lineage descendants of Deacon Douglas.  So I pasted N11063's Y111 STR data into two very large FTDNA projects:  ScottishDNA and EnglandGB, each > 5000 members.  As shown above, in both cases there are no common ancestors for N11063 (aside from #156809, another known Douglas) back at least 30-40 generations.  At 30 generations we have a hint with ancestors Benjamin Wright and Edward Terrill -- those are both worth investigating though both are at the limit of surname origins.  In the Scottish dataset there is nothing to 40 generations, far before surnames and any clan history.  This is not proof, but given the size of these projects and predilection for Scots to do DNA testing, it does suggest that the brick wall for Deacon Douglas is substantial --- specifically, this rules out an easy case of missing a Scots connection by just one or two generations to a large clan.   In addition, I noticed in the Big Tree that R-BY13790 (the terminal SNP for Deacon Douglas) that there is only one Douglas and several surnames Fox, so I also checked N11063's STRs against the Fox surname data -- with the same result:  no common ancestor within ~40 generations.

Comment by Sherry Duty on March 10, 2019 at 23:02

Birth for Deacon William Douglas complicated by calendar change.   The Julian Calendar replaced by Gregorian Calendar in 1752.

The 1752 Calendar Change

Today, Americans are used to a calendar with a "year" based the earth's rotation around the sun, with "months" having no relationship to the cycles of the moon and New Years Day falling on January 1.  However, that system was not adopted in England and its colonies until 1752.  

The changes implemented that year have created challenges for historians and genealogists working with early colonial records, since it is sometimes hard to determine whether information was entered according to the then-current English calendar or the "New Style" calendar we use today.
 
Throughout history there have been numerous attempts to convey time in relation to the sun and moon.  Even now the Chinese and Islamic calendars are based on the motion of the moon around the earth, rather than the motion of the earth in relation to the sun, and the Jewish calendar links years to the cycle of the sun and months to the cycle of the moon.

Comment by Sherry Duty on March 6, 2019 at 21:55

William W. Hough, Thanks so much for your reply

The information did come from messages found on line from Carol Maginnis but not confirmation by records. So, I was not sure, I have not been able to find her book as it is not in print and Carol has passed so cannot contact her. Did your perusal have information about her sons, Gideon and Stephen and their indenture at such a young age? I will probably not be searching in the Conneticut Records unless I can find them on line.  I do have Henry Rowland for her husband, but do come up crossing Roland and with Howland as I have a few of those also, with all the second, third and even a few fourth marriages,  it seems early New Englander were all related. Gideon (Born Dewolfe/ died Deolph) is my 7th great grandfather. Thankyou for all you help and the confirmation.

Sherry Paul Duty

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